Southern Baptist Convention Throws Out Saddleback Church

[vantexan]

In any manner they used prior to the established religion of the day assembled the writings to be deemed the Bible by religious tradition.

Means to spread the Good News other than written religious texts are still in use today. They always have been.

Any issue can be addressed without scriptural guidance.

I do find the Bible useful for religious and spiritual guidance at times.

This is what you said. Show the groups who are spreading the story of Jesus without the Bible and always have been. You said they're doing it so feel free to tell us who.

 

[Integrity]

God help us!

Always.

You have trouble recognizing sarcasm?
I thought even you would see it.

Not great with picking up on sarcasm.

 

[Integrity]

This is what you said. Show the groups who are spreading the story of Jesus without the Bible and always have been. You said they're doing it so feel free to tell us who.

No thanks.

I have no problem with your perspective that God’s existence is dependent on the Bible.

I don’t share in this belief.

I don’t know why you have such a problem with my perspective.

I cannot believe the God of the Universe is dependent or limited by any religious tradition written or not.

My belief starts with belief that before there was anything, there was God.

 

[vantexan]

No thanks.

I have no problem with your perspective that God’s existence is dependent on the Bible.

I don’t share in this belief.

I don’t know why you have such a problem with my perspective.

I cannot believe the God of the Universe is dependent or limited by any religious tradition written or not.

My belief starts with belief that before there was anything, there was God.

Of course. I'm just trying to determine who is, according to you, passing along knowledge of Jesus without referring to the Bible at all? Who is determining how we're to live in accordance with God's will without the guidance of scripture given to us by the Holy Spirit? How do you determine which scriptures, if any, you are required to follow and which you're allowed to ignore? And which Christian churches have been doing so for thousands of years without need or benefit of the written word? In the New Testament we have the teachings of Christ. OK to ignore them because they were collected by men and assembled into books we can read? Please remember this from Matthew 7:21 said by Jesus:

"Not everyone who saith unto me Lord, Lord shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven."

It's a curious thing to me that you enjoy reading the New Testament but reject the idea you must follow what is contained therein.

 

[Integrity]

Of course. I'm just trying to determine who is, according to you, passing along knowledge of Jesus without referring to the Bible at all? Who is determining how we're to live in accordance with God's will without the guidance of scripture given to us by the Holy Spirit? How do you determine which scriptures, if any, you are required to follow and which you're allowed to ignore? And which Christian churches have been doing so for thousands of years without need or benefit of the written word? In the New Testament we have the teachings of Christ. OK to ignore them because they were collected by men and assembled into books we can read? Please remember this from Matthew 7:21 said by Jesus:

"Not everyone who saith unto me Lord, Lord shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven."

It's a curious thing to me that you enjoy reading the New Testament but reject the idea you must follow what is contained therein.

Busy day. I will work on this as my time allows.

Question:
Do you follow Church of Christ doctrine like @BrownFlush does?

 

[vantexan]

Busy day. I will work on this as my time allows.

Question:
Do you follow Church of Christ doctrine like @BrownFlush does?

I try to follow the New Testament.

 

[Integrity]

I try to follow the New Testament.

What is the denomination of the church that you attend?

 

[vantexan]

What is the denomination of the church that you attend?

I don't belong to a denomination.

 

[Integrity]

I don't belong to a denomination.

Do you attend worship services regularly ?

Are these worship services at a Church of Christ church?

 

[Integrity]

Of course. I'm just trying to determine who is, according to you, passing along knowledge of Jesus without referring to the Bible at all?

Personally speaking, my family, primarily my Grandmother passed the knowledge of God the Father, through His Son Jesus, by the power of the Holy Spirit to me.

She did this through verbal communication of the stories of God, His Son and His saving of the world and lifestyle example.

I could just sense God in her and through
her.

I never once saw her reading a Bible, nor was reading the Bible or advance intellectual based Bible study part of our family’s religious tradition.

In 3rd Grade my love of reading drew me to the Bible and it immediately became my favorite book. Of all my entire family, my family is the first in our line to make regular Bible reading a part of our religious practice and tradition. It has proven to be a blessing, as well as being very useful in my religious practices, my spiritual life, and my personal relationship with God.

Gotta go, will try to answer more of your questions later.

Have a good day.

 

[Integrity]

Who is determining how we're to live in accordance with God's will without the guidance of scripture given to us by the Holy Spirit?

The Holy Spirit himself.

 

[vantexan]

The Holy Spirit himself.

You've yet to tell me which religious bodies have passed on the story of Jesus without using the Bible. You said it was always that way. Please share who is doing this. Or at least admit you don't recognize the authority of the New Testament as God's inspired word that we're to follow because you don't agree with some of it therefore prefer to do whatever you feel is the right thing.

 

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[Integrity]

You've yet to tell me which religious bodies have passed on the story of Jesus without using the Bible. You said it was always that way. Please share who is doing this.

You obviously misunderstood what I said.

Or at least admit you don't recognize the authority of the New Testament as God's inspired word that we're to follow because you don't agree with some of it therefore prefer to do whatever you feel is the right thing.

I recognize the authority of God,

I do not recognize authority of written religious tradition.

God is my source the Bible is not my source.

I do believe the writers of the Bible were inspired but I think my understanding of inspiration may be different from yours.

I believe in doing what I believe is right in God’s eyes, not in simply following what is in written religious texts simply because it is there.

 

[Integrity]

You've yet to tell me which religious bodies have passed on the story of Jesus without using the Bible. You said it was always that way. Please share who is doing this. Or at least admit you don't recognize the authority of the New Testament as God's inspired word that we're to follow because you don't agree with some of it therefore prefer to do whatever you feel is the right thing.

Do you attend worship services regularly ?

Are these worship services at a Church of Christ church?

You won’t.

 

[Integrity]

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I do not fear the devil.

 

[Box Ox]

You've yet to tell me which religious bodies have passed on the story of Jesus without using the Bible. You said it was always that way. Please share who is doing this. Or at least admit you don't recognize the authority of the New Testament as God's inspired word that we're to follow because you don't agree with some of it therefore prefer to do whatever you feel is the right thing.

Do you attend worship services regularly ?

Are these worship services at a Church of Christ church?

You won’t.

Uh oh. He's down to "Do you even church, bro?"

 

[Integrity]

How do you determine which scriptures, if any, you are required to follow and which you're allowed to ignore?

I believe it is by the prompting of the Holy Spirit.

Anything that I have had serious dissonance of spirit about I bring to God in prayer.

I then meditate and wait to hear guidance and direction about whatever I brought to Him. I particularly try to sense a spiritual connection with the Father, Son , and Holy Spirit. Until I have peace about something I just continue to give my dissonance to God. I know he is always there for me.

 

[Integrity]

Uh oh. He's down to "Do you even church, bro?"

I suspect he won’t answer.

 

[vantexan]

Do you attend worship services regularly ?

Are these worship services at a Church of Christ church?

You won’t.

My religious practices are my business. You on the other hand have told us that what we hold as sacred doesn't amount to anything important. And you made the statement that people since the time of Christ have shared Jesus without the Bible even being involved. And the reason you did is because you were critical of the Southern Baptists disfellowshipping a congregation because they have a woman pastor. When quoted scripture concerning their beliefs about women participating you dismissed it as tradition and not what God wants in your view. So ultimately you decide what God wants for you to do in this life and if that jibes with scripture great but if not then the scripture is wrong, the traditions of men. So you're setting yourself up as all wise, all knowing because God speaks to you but didn't speak to the authors of scripture even though they were the chosen apostles of Christ. How could they possibly be right if you disagree with them? A very narcissistic viewpoint.