Wage progression update.

[UpstateNYUPSer(Ret)]

If the contract did indeed start on 4/25/14 we would have only received retro from that date.

The contract will be backdated to 8/1/13.

Thanks for playing.

 

[UPS WORKHORSE]

If the contract did indeed start on 4/25/14 we would have only received retro from that date.

The contract will be backdated to 8/1/13.

Thanks for playing.

If that's the case, then there would have been no need for UPS and the IBT to have agreed to make benefits retroactive to August 1, 2013. They had to agree to that because the current contract wasn't implemented yet. We voted yes for the new contract, but it couldn't be implemented until all the supplements passed (or in this case, bypassed).

 

[UpstateNYUPSer(Ret)]

This is not the first time a contract has been extended and retro pay and benefits paid out. The one difference between our situation and other contract extensions is our wage progression.

The contract will be dated 1 Aug 13 and any attempt to argue that is a waste of time.

 

[UPS WORKHORSE]

This is not the first time a contract has been extended and retro pay and benefits paid out. The one difference between our situation and other contract extensions is our wage progression.

The contract will be dated 1 Aug 13 and any attempt to argue that is a waste of time.

It's not a waste of time to try and get $20,000 extra dollars. There's something wrong with you to think so. If you were in the same situation you sure as hell would fight for that money. Your opinion is a waste of time.

 

[UpstateNYUPSer(Ret)]

Whatever.

Your grievance will never get past your BA.

Thanks for playing.

 

[saintrick]

Whatever.

Your grievance will never get past your BA.

Thanks for playing.

I can see a BA run with this even though it has no merit just to keep his members from turning on him.

"Hey I fought hard for you guys but we got hosed"

 

[Quigley]

There is no argument to be made---the contract will be dated 1 August 13.

Ok, everybody just stop arguing. UpstateNYUPSer HAS SPOKEN!!!!
We all know he has the final word. Next time dont waste your time talking to your BA, just ask him.

 

[UpstateNYUPSer(Ret)]

Ok, everybody just stop arguing. UpstateNYUPSer HAS SPOKEN!!!!
We all know he has the final word. Next time dont waste your time talking to your BA, just ask him.

Much like your frustration with trying to explain how wage progression works, I get equally frustrated with those people who don't understand the basics of a contract extension and backdating of the ratified agreement.

The proof that I am correct arrived in your checking account over the weekend. The retro checks were based on work hours from 1 Aug 13, not 25 Apr 14, which proves that the contract will be backdated to 1 Aug 13 and the provisions therein will be based on that date.

 

[UPS WORKHORSE]

Much like your frustration with trying to explain how wage progression works, I get equally frustrated with those people who don't understand the basics of a contract extension and backdating of the ratified agreement.

The proof that I am correct arrived in your checking account over the weekend. The retro checks were based on work hours from 1 Aug 13, not 25 Apr 14, which proves that the contract will be backdated to 1 Aug 13 and the provisions therein will be based on that date.

Explain how you can be under an extension, but your not under an extension, because the current contract is backdated. With that logic you can grieve all those cover drivers that worked all week and then worked Saturday too beginning August 1, 2013. The new contract wasn't implemented until April 25th.

Sent using BrownCafe App

 

[UpstateNYUPSer(Ret)]

Make sure to check the dates when you get your new contract book.

 

[sportsjock]

I downloaded the contract and it the old dates are lined out and the new dates August 1, 2014 to July 31, 2018 typed in.


Sent using BrownCafe App

 

[UpstateNYUPSer(Ret)]

I downloaded the contract and it the old dates are lined out and the new dates August 1, 2014 to July 31, 2018 typed in.


Sent using BrownCafe App

How can that be? Are you saying the contract has been backdated?

 

[sportsjock]

From what I've seen, the dates reflect August 1, 2014 to July 31, 2018. I will try and forward the link.


Sent using BrownCafe App

 

[JL 0513]

From what I've seen, the dates reflect August 1, 2014 to July 31, 2018. I will try and forward the link.


Sent using BrownCafe App

Yeah, that makes no sense. That would mean we worked a year with no contract which we of course didn't.

And of course we wouldn't have seen retro pay that resulted from delayed ratification.

The contract runs August 1 2013 - July 31, 2018.

 

[Quigley]

Much like your frustration with trying to explain how wage progression works, I get equally frustrated with those people who don't understand the basics of a contract extension and backdating of the ratified agreement.

The proof that I am correct arrived in your checking account over the weekend. The retro checks were based on work hours from 1 Aug 13, not 25 Apr 14, which proves that the contract will be backdated to 1 Aug 13 and the provisions therein will be based on that date.

All I'm saying is whether you or I disagree on someones point of view on the contract, they as a union member have every right to file a grievence if they feel they have been wronged. In our local not enough drivers file grievences and as a result management gets away with a lot stuff they would not do had the drivers fought for whats right. So in my humble opinion whether I or anybody else thinks you are wrong, file away, its not only your right its your duty.

 

[Quigley]

Not going to argue with you again about it. The poster can read the language and make his own decision.

He entered the job prior to 8/1 but attained seniority after. If you will just read the language for what it says its really not that hard.

Why he does not get the GWI
All full-time employees who have attained seniority as of August 1,
2013 will receive the following general wage increases for
each contract year. (The GWI)

Why he is 3 year progression and not 4 year.
(c.) The progression for employees entering a package car driving,
feeder or other full-time job (other than an air driver or a job covered
by Section 3 below) position after August 1, 2008 2013 shall
be as follows: (4year progression)

Just got call from a neighbor kid. He started driving July 2013, attained seniority Aug 8 2013, seniority date July 2013, just checked UPSERS.com, received a healhy retro check.

 

[UpstateNYUPSer(Ret)]

All I'm saying is whether you or I disagree on someones point of view on the contract, they as a union member have every right to file a grievence if they feel they have been wronged. In our local not enough drivers file grievences and as a result management gets away with a lot stuff they would not do had the drivers fought for whats right. So in my humble opinion whether I or anybody else thinks you are wrong, file away, its not only your right its your duty.

Go ahead----file your (frivolous) grievance. Don't be surprised when the BA tells you that there is no basis for your grievance.

 

[saintrick]

Just got call from a neighbor kid. He started driving July 2013, attained seniority Aug 8 2013, seniority date July 2013, just checked UPSERS.com, received a healhy retro check.

He must have his dates wrong. You can not start in July and have enough reports by 8/8 to attain seniority.

 

[Quigley]

He must have his dates wrong. You can not start in July and have enough reports by 8/8 to attain seniority.

He was wrong, actually he started in June

 

[Scottyhawk]

Seniority dates back to your first driving day after driver training, once you make book