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Are we talking local and state? I agree, and they are buy and large available and accountable.

Federal, are mostly leeches on society, getting sweetheart deals to enrich themselves and are not accountable nor available most of the time.
So Sean O’Brien completely wastes the union’s time by courting Congress?

Let’s not get tunnel vision.
 

Thebrownblob

Well-Known Member
So Sean O’Brien completely wastes the union’s time by courting Congress?

Let’s not get tunnel vision.
Yes, mostly and his interaction with that dufus from Oklahoma kind of shows that. Unfortunately, we are so intertwined with government regulations, We cannot operate on our own anymore. For every good thing you can point out the federal government has done for unions there’s 15 bad things. And don’t even get me started about the amount of money it takes in a PAC fund to move the ball federally. Unions barely stand a chance.
 

MrFedEx

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I don't recall the J6 protest being about any of that either.

I don't recall the J6 protest being about any of that either.
1. Election results were "fake".
2. Hang Mike Pence
3. Confront and injure police.
4. Make all sorts of claims about seeking out Democratic leaders so they could be harmed.
5. Zip ties, tactical gear, weapons caches in DC (Oath Keepers).
6. Doing the bidding of The Orange Menace to ensure he remained President.

And much more.
 

PT Car Washer

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1. Election results were "fake".
2. Hang Mike Pence
3. Confront and injure police.
4. Make all sorts of claims about seeking out Democratic leaders so they could be harmed.
5. Zip ties, tactical gear, weapons caches in DC (Oath Keepers).
6. Doing the bidding of The Orange Menace to ensure he remained President.

And much more.
The attack wasn't just against Democratic leaders and members. It was against all of Congress so trump could remain in power.
 

vantexan

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1. Election results were "fake".
2. Hang Mike Pence
3. Confront and injure police.
4. Make all sorts of claims about seeking out Democratic leaders so they could be harmed.
5. Zip ties, tactical gear, weapons caches in DC (Oath Keepers).
6. Doing the bidding of The Orange Menace to ensure he remained President.

And much more.
1. There were plenty of issues with the election in 4 or 5 swing states.
2. Hyperbole.
3. Exactly how many police were injured compared to the 2020 riots?
4. Hyperbole.
5. Very little of that. Where were the guns?
6. Do you have it on video or audio recording that he told them to do so?

Worst insurrection ever.
 

MrFedEx

Engorged Member
The attack wasn't just against Democratic leaders and members. It was against all of Congress so trump could remain in power.
True. That makes it even worse. A true insurrection. Vantexan says we’re making it all up and that they were just having a Zip-Tie picnic for Jesus.
 

Box Ox

Well-Known Member
trump never won the popular vote. Another trump failure.
The election is 50 different state elections. He won the popular vote in enough states to win the Electoral College. That is how our president is chosen. There is no national popular vote. Just a tally.

I’m not sure why some on the left (including those who say they’re actually moderate conservatives) still don’t seem to understand how our President is elected.
 

vantexan

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I’m not sure why some on the left (including those who say they’re actually moderate conservatives) still don’t seem to understand how our President is elected.
They see the extra millions coming out of California and New York and think it's unfair that the other side wins with less total votes. Of course if there were extra millions of Republican votes coming out of Texas and Florida but a Democrat managed to get more electoral votes they'd praise how brilliant the Founding Fathers were. Of course you know this but have to put it out there for possibly a light bulb going off with some of them.
 

MrFedEx

Engorged Member
They see the extra millions coming out of California and New York and think it's unfair that the other side wins with less total votes. Of course if there were extra millions of Republican votes coming out of Texas and Florida but a Democrat managed to get more electoral votes they'd praise how brilliant the Founding Fathers were. Of course you know this but have to put it out there for possibly a light bulb going off with some of them.
Yes. Brilliant. Giving rural Conservatives a disproportionate amount of voting power. Of course, Trump railed against the Electoral College until someone told him it helped him win while losing the popular vote bigly.
 

vantexan

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Yes. Brilliant. Giving rural Conservatives a disproportionate amount of voting power. Of course, Trump railed against the Electoral College until someone told him it helped him win while losing the popular vote bigly.
Massachusetts, Connecticut, Vermont, New Hampshire, Delaware and Maryland are all small liberal states. What you're forgetting is because California and New York and Illinois are high population states they have a lot more electoral votes than North Dakota or Wyoming.
 

MrFedEx

Engorged Member
Massachusetts, Connecticut, Vermont, New Hampshire, Delaware and Maryland are all small liberal states. What you're forgetting is because California and New York and Illinois are high population states they have a lot more electoral votes than North Dakota or Wyoming.
The Founding Fathers would have convicted Trump of treason and placed him in a stock for public viewing before execution. No matter how you try and FAUX spin this, rural people are overwhelmingly over represented.
 

vantexan

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Massachusetts, Connecticut, Vermont, New Hampshire, Delaware and Maryland are all small liberal states. What you're forgetting is because California and New York and Illinois are high population states they have a lot more electoral votes than North Dakota or Wyoming.
Forgot Rhode Island.
 
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