70 Hour Rule, Merry Christmas

[Brownslave688]

Okay. But it's not just me. I talked to almost ten feeder drivers tonight with more seniority than me, and very knowledgeable guys. To a man, they said your example of drivers working 70 hours during Mon-Fri., were violating the DOT hours of service rules.

Your second message asked where it says that, and it can be found on the DOT website under Hours of Service. Simply put, it says without the 34 hour reset, you are limited to 60 hours in a 7 day period, or 70 hours in a 8 day period. So doing 70 hours in a 5 day period--once again, without a reset--is a violation of hours of service.

Your only limitations are 14 hours per day and 70 hours over 8 days.


If you work 70 hours in 5 days you reset every weekend.

How are guys working 60 hours in 5 days every single week all over the country? And now with 70 hours avalible many are working 70 every week in 6 days. I'm not advocating one do it but it is legally possible to work 70 in 5.

 

[Brownslave688]

Where do you keep getting this "without a reset" from? We reset every weekend.

For the love of god amen!!!!!

 

[Brownslave688]

You can not work 14 hours a day. That would be 15 with lunch. 13 is the max

This depends on your local and state laws.

Here all we have to take is our 10 paid.

 

[Brownslave688]

Brownslave said he knew drivers who worked 70 hours(14 hours a day for 5 days in a row) from a Monday to a Friday. No reset until the weekend, but by then it was too late.

HOW!!!!! You started the week with 70 hours avalible to work!!!!!! Holy

 

[The Driver]

This depends on your local and state laws.

Here all we have to take is our 10 paid.

Yep. 688 here. Just 10 minutes and 1 minute of unpaid lunch to stay off their reports, should you want to.

 

[Jackburton]

Literally no one does that.

And those that do must be pretty tight to worry about a 5% difference on thier checks that they’ll get back in 2 months.

 

[tacken]

Its UPS show. I just deliver packages.

 

[Rick Ross]

We have 30 minute lunch so 13 1/2.

You can also do 20 minutes lunch combined with 10 minutes break for your 30 minutes. I would never do it on a long day but it's handy on days you want to be done early and not give up .17 hours if pay.

I know other supplements get more break time which would be even better.

 

[olroadbeech]

My whole point from the start of this fiasco was just bring some awareness to working the 8/70 shift. We don't do it that often in feeders. And it can be confusing. We deal with tracking our hours every day in feeders, and if you go over your hours, it can mean big trouble.

Honesty, I don't know how close of an eye the DOT tracks it. I have no clue if they have real time info on us or not. But in our feeder department, if you violate, expect to have a few unpaid days off. And the DOT manual clearly states the fines. They range from $1000 to $11,000 per violation. I would just hate to see a package car driver get in trouble for going over his hours, especially since their supervisors seem to know even less about it than them.

the fines are the least of it. if you are violating and get in an accident and hurt or kill someone the company would have to pay millions and the driver could quite possibly go to prison.

in the old days , we all violated. kept 2 log books to keep working. companies knew all about it and would even give you beans to stay awake.

not anymore. too much to lose.

 

[Catatonic]

I just don't get why @scratch won't retire.

Have you met his wife?

 

[over9five]

and would even give you beans to stay awake.

Wut?

 

[Faceplanted]

Wut?

Black beauties!!!!!!

 

[over9five]

Black beauties!!!!!!

Ah, thank you.

Urban Dictionary: Black Beauties

 

[Brownslave688]

Wut?

Getting feeders confused with the pole

 

[over9five]

Getting feeders confused with the pole

Wut?

 

[Operational needs]

Wut?

You guys have never run with two logs have you? Call me naive, but I find it hard to believe that a company like UPS would allow it. I know Fedex sure wouldn’t. I know both companies do some shady stuff but double logs???

 

[over9five]

You guys have never run with two logs have you? Call me naive, but I find it hard to believe that a company like UPS would allow it. I know Fedex sure wouldn’t. I know both companies do some shady stuff but double logs???

Nope, it's electronic logs now.

 

[Operational needs]

Nope, it's electronic logs now.

No, I mean pre-electronic logs.

 

[Brownslave688]

Wut?

If the mental image isn't burned into your retinas. I'll save you the agony.

 

[over9five]

No, I mean pre-electronic logs.

No one I know did. No real need to.
What @olroadbeech was talking about was before I was in Feeders, so I can't speak to that.