Central supplement

Discussion in 'UPS Union Issues' started by upschuck, Jul 28, 2018.

  1. upschuck

    upschuck Well-Known Member

    I use the straps to lift packages, at times, too.
  2. BigUnionGuy

    BigUnionGuy Got the T-Shirt

    Most people don't realize what the original intent of 17-I was.... that cleans it up.

    "Serious offenses" meant things like fighting, sexual harassment, etc.

    But over the years, the company made it just about anything.

    Putting in "named" cardinal sins.... severely limits the Unions ability to defend the member.

    The analogy I've used before, is when you see attendance policies in some other contracts.

    4 infractions = warning letter.

    5 infractions = suspension.

    6 infractions = discharge.

    End of story.

    No going to a Panel or arbitration. You're done.

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  3. Benben

    Benben Working on a new degree, Masters in BS Detecting!

    That's SOP anymore. Every truck is so blown out you can't fit anymore into them!
  4. Trust me I know. I'm hoping for a roof rack....
  5. 5habits100

    5habits100 Well-Known Member

    I agree it cleans it up. The politicians are saying it’s worse. They don’t want to believe it’s better. 17i was intended to be the most extreme situations. Pulling to wrong load or mis sorts is not a 17i.
  6. upschuck

    upschuck Well-Known Member

    I can see them using the protecting the company in a way that was not intended. The customer and employee part is fine.
  7. Bubblehead

    Bubblehead My Senior Picture

    How about distracted driving, speeding, rolling a stop sign, improper lane change, not using signals and flashers, not having your headlights on while your wipers are operating, excessive backing, and about any other perceived shortcoming while behind the wheel.

    Could those scenarios be perverted under this expanded language?
    I can envision my LM giving it a shot.

    Give me a little while and I'm sure we can think of some similar scenarios when we aren't behind the wheel.

    What I find interesting is that when we don't vote we are apathetic....and when we don't agree and ponder the consequences, we are deemed "polticians"....but if we good boys and girls and vote yes, we are "reasonable".

    Very interesting....
  8. BigUnionGuy

    BigUnionGuy Got the T-Shirt

    Progressive discipline at best.

    The word egregious.... is the operative term.


    Fighting, sexual harassment, intentional destruction of company property.... egregious.

    Oh.... and my load, dispatch, and harassment are so bad.... I might shoot up the place.

    Notice it includes:

    "Discharge under this subsection should only be used in situations where the employee’s actions are so egregious that he/she needs to be removed from the workplace immediately to protect employees, customers, and/or the Company."

    It removes the ambiguity.

    The Central Region Union Chairman, is going to be at your contract review meeting.

    Knowing him.... he will explain it quite thoroughly.

  9. Bubblehead

    Bubblehead My Senior Picture

    Oh...."egregious"???...I see

    What are some synonyms for "egregious"???

    I know a couple....how about "serious" or "cardinal sin"?

  10. BigUnionGuy

    BigUnionGuy Got the T-Shirt


    1. 1.
      outstandingly bad; shocking.
      "egregious abuses of copyright"
      synonyms: shocking, appalling, terrible, awful, horrendous, frightful, atrocious, abominable, abhorrent, outrageous;
      monstrous, heinous, dire, unspeakable, shameful, unforgivable, intolerable, dreadful;
      "an egregious error of judgment"

    Come on @Bubblehead....

    You're starting to sound like "Conspiracy Theories" with Jessie Ventura.


    List cardinal sins ?

    Be careful of what you ask for.

    Oh, that's a cardinal sin.... goodbye.... there's no negotiating after that.

  11. upschuck

    upschuck Well-Known Member

    "It's shameful you had late air, You're Fired". :)
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  12. Bubblehead

    Bubblehead My Senior Picture

    Is that how it works for the "cardinal" infractions specifically listed in Article 17(a thru h)....goodbye....no negotiating after that???

  13. Tony Q

    Tony Q Well-Known Member

    Just looking at the way the language reads If the temporary change involves more than a two-way split, the driver shall select by seniority", then I would assume you can follow whatever portion you want provided you have the seniority.
  14. BigUnionGuy

    BigUnionGuy Got the T-Shirt


    17-a) is cleaned up, and mirrors the National.

    (we will call this the "what you talking about Willis" clause)

    17-b) You're done. No exceptions.

    17-c) Again.... done.

    17-d) If you are tested per Article 18 and 35 (and are clean).... possible.

    (Depending on your work record)

    17-e) Circumstances can vary.

    17-f) There is an escape clause in that one. :biggrin:

    17-g) Depends on the level of damage. You kill someone.... have a nice day.

    17-h) That kind of is antiquated, and could be construed as meaning cash.

    But, don't try and float a customer a loan with the promise of a check tomorrow.

    My only point being....

    Why pigeon hole yourself, with definitions ?

  15. DR7

    DR7 Member

    Thanks. That’s the way I read it too. Been going on every Monday, sometimes more, for the last two years. Ever since we “lost Amazon”...
  16. BigUnionGuy

    BigUnionGuy Got the T-Shirt

    That's exactly what it means.
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  17. Tony Q

    Tony Q Well-Known Member

    I don't use this particular supplement, but language is language. I am pretty sure this is how it is broken down in the central region.
  18. RealPerson

    RealPerson Active Member

    Unfortunately not at my center. One big list. But hey, I do get to bump one full timer.
  19. Bubblehead

    Bubblehead My Senior Picture

    What's the penalty when the Company refuses to abide by this language???

    "Company will comply"

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  20. Our local allows the attendance infraction limit without progressive discipline starting to be 6 infractions in a 9 month period.