Discussion in 'UPS Union Issues' started by upschuck, Jul 28, 2018.
I use the straps to lift packages, at times, too.
Most people don't realize what the original intent of 17-I was.... that cleans it up.
"Serious offenses" meant things like fighting, sexual harassment, etc.
But over the years, the company made it just about anything.
Putting in "named" cardinal sins.... severely limits the Unions ability to defend the member.
The analogy I've used before, is when you see attendance policies in some other contracts.
4 infractions = warning letter.
5 infractions = suspension.
6 infractions = discharge.
End of story.
No going to a Panel or arbitration. You're done.
That's SOP anymore. Every truck is so blown out you can't fit anymore into them!
Trust me I know. I'm hoping for a roof rack....
I agree it cleans it up. The politicians are saying it’s worse. They don’t want to believe it’s better. 17i was intended to be the most extreme situations. Pulling to wrong load or mis sorts is not a 17i.
I can see them using the protecting the company in a way that was not intended. The customer and employee part is fine.
How about distracted driving, speeding, rolling a stop sign, improper lane change, not using signals and flashers, not having your headlights on while your wipers are operating, excessive backing, and about any other perceived shortcoming while behind the wheel.
Could those scenarios be perverted under this expanded language?
I can envision my LM giving it a shot.
Give me a little while and I'm sure we can think of some similar scenarios when we aren't behind the wheel.
What I find interesting is that when we don't vote we are apathetic....and when we don't agree and ponder the consequences, we are deemed "polticians"....but if we good boys and girls and vote yes, we are "reasonable".
Progressive discipline at best.
The word egregious.... is the operative term.
Fighting, sexual harassment, intentional destruction of company property.... egregious.
Oh.... and my load, dispatch, and harassment are so bad.... I might shoot up the place.
Notice it includes:
"Discharge under this subsection should only be used in situations where the employee’s actions are so egregious that he/she needs to be removed from the workplace immediately to protect employees, customers, and/or the Company."
It removes the ambiguity.
The Central Region Union Chairman, is going to be at your contract review meeting.
Knowing him.... he will explain it quite thoroughly.
What are some synonyms for "egregious"???
I know a couple....how about "serious" or "cardinal sin"?
outstandingly bad; shocking.
"egregious abuses of copyright"
synonyms: shocking, appalling, terrible, awful, horrendous, frightful, atrocious, abominable, abhorrent, outrageous;
monstrous, heinous, dire, unspeakable, shameful, unforgivable, intolerable, dreadful;
"an egregious error of judgment"
Come on @Bubblehead....
You're starting to sound like "Conspiracy Theories" with Jessie Ventura.
List cardinal sins ?
Be careful of what you ask for.
Oh, that's a cardinal sin.... goodbye.... there's no negotiating after that.
"It's shameful you had late air, You're Fired".
Is that how it works for the "cardinal" infractions specifically listed in Article 17(a thru h)....goodbye....no negotiating after that???
Just looking at the way the language reads If the temporary change involves more than a two-way split, the driver shall select by seniority", then I would assume you can follow whatever portion you want provided you have the seniority.
17-a) is cleaned up, and mirrors the National.
(we will call this the "what you talking about Willis" clause)
17-b) You're done. No exceptions.
17-c) Again.... done.
17-d) If you are tested per Article 18 and 35 (and are clean).... possible.
(Depending on your work record)
17-e) Circumstances can vary.
17-f) There is an escape clause in that one.
17-g) Depends on the level of damage. You kill someone.... have a nice day.
17-h) That kind of is antiquated, and could be construed as meaning cash.
But, don't try and float a customer a loan with the promise of a check tomorrow.
My only point being....
Why pigeon hole yourself, with definitions ?
Thanks. That’s the way I read it too. Been going on every Monday, sometimes more, for the last two years. Ever since we “lost Amazon”...
That's exactly what it means.
I don't use this particular supplement, but language is language. I am pretty sure this is how it is broken down in the central region.
Unfortunately not at my center. One big list. But hey, I do get to bump one full timer.
What's the penalty when the Company refuses to abide by this language???
"Company will comply"
Our local allows the attendance infraction limit without progressive discipline starting to be 6 infractions in a 9 month period.
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