Central,Western PA and 243 count today

[BigUnionGuy]

538 colluded with UPS during the last CBA and that evidence is on the record. Violators of the Teamster Constitution run 538.

If it was such an open and shut case.... the NLRB would have ruled as such.

 

[Frankie's Friend]

It looked pretty comparable to other supplements and the Master.

Better when compared. The COL may dilute it a tad after first glance but the vote tally was telling.
804 members are not playing.

 

[IVE GOTTA PACKAGE 4U]

It looked pretty comparable to other supplements and the Master.

Seriously?

 

[BigUnionGuy]

Seriously?

Nothing really stood out, as being ground breaking.

 

[IVE GOTTA PACKAGE 4U]

Nothing really stood out, as being ground breaking.

100 22.3 jobs 20 22.2 jobs .$400 pension increase. Coffee break.

 

[burrheadd]

Well, as you said.... it's just a rumor from TDU at this point.

I haven't read any official statement from the IBT yet.

That’s a shocker

 

[BigUnionGuy]

100 22.3 jobs 20 22.2 jobs .$400 pension increase. Coffee break.

Like I said.... nothing ground breaking.


More 22.3 jobs;

Got that in the Master.


22.2 jobs:

They are listed a carwash/porter jobs. If they are 22.2.... good deal.


$400.00 pension increase;

We got that in the Master for the UPS/IBT plan in 2020.


Coffee break;

It was restored.


@IVE GOTTA PACKAGE 4U

I'm not knocking them.

But, a newly elected administration gets a break.... every time.

 

[IVE GOTTA PACKAGE 4U]

Like I said.... nothing ground breaking.


More 22.3 jobs;

Got that in the Master.


22.2 jobs:

They are listed a carwash/porter jobs. If they are 22.2.... good deal.


$400.00 pension increase;

We got that in the Master for the UPS/IBT plan in 2020.


Coffee break;

It was restored.


@IVE GOTTA PACKAGE 4U

I'm not knocking them.

But, a newly elected administration gets a break.... every time.

They still aren't mad about Maspeth?

 

[Big Arrow Down...D]

They still aren't mad about Maspeth?

Coffee was restored to drivers hired after 2008... we never lost it.

 

[stray]

What would more time do?

Allow UPS to say no 3 more times?

They were not going to give you what you wanted and Hoffa knew it.

And Hoffa was not going to let you strike to try to get it.

More time may have put pressure on UPS to actually negotiate something, rather than just agree to several MOUs that were from the 2008 & 2013 supplements. They pulled 95% of the supplemental language that had been negotiated several months earlier off the table and refused to discuss it for the 2nd supplement.

File charges on what?

UPS said no to your demands, so they asked Hoffa if he'was going to vote it, or strike.

And we all know which option he took.

Now, if he imposes the contract, file away, although it will go nowhere.

Charges on failing to negotiate in a good faith manner.

 

[542thruNthru]

Like I said.... nothing ground breaking.


More 22.3 jobs;

Got that in the Master.

Have to disagree with this one.

We got 5000 new jobs over the life of the contract. Yes some can be made 22.3s but we all know that they will be the new 22.4 and sleeper runs.

 

[Mugarolla]

How did 804 negotiate a better deal?

Better negotiators?

Maybe they were willing to compromise on certain issues to get some of what they wanted, unlike some other locals.

I don't know. I wasn't there. I, we, can only speculate.

@Mugarolla thinks that another local, other locals, asking for more time is futile.

In this case, yes.

They had 4 months. How many more months, or years, do they need?

If there was progress, I agree with you.

It's called an impasse. UPS was not going to give them what they wanted, and they were not backing off their demands.

Even if Hoffa gave them 5 more years, nothing would change. Neither side was backing down.

At the least give the (stronger) last few locals the respect they deserve and butt out.

There was no more progress in negotiations.

UPS put their cards on the table. A bluff? Possibly.

Hoffa had a choice. Vote it or strike, and we all know how that was going to turn out.

There's no respect for members in the ibt hierarchy.

I cannot disagree.

What a disgrace.

Again, I cannot disagree.

 

[Mugarolla]

More time may have put pressure on UPS to actually negotiate something, rather than just agree to several MOUs that were from the 2008 & 2013 supplements. They pulled 95% of the supplemental language that had been negotiated several months earlier off the table and refused to discuss it for the 2nd supplement.

What pressure would more time create?

Just more time to continue to say no.

There was no give and take on either side.

Charges on failing to negotiate in a good faith manner.

Not giving them what they wanted is not failing to negotiate in good faith.

They met with 243 and refused to give them what they took off the table. This is not failing to negotiate in good faith. UPS does not have to give them anything, and Hoffa was not going to let them strike to try and get it.

Bargaining in good faith with employees' union representative (Section 8(d) & 8(a)(5)) | NLRB | Public Website

Now, if Hoffa implements the contract, you may have a case, but I doubt anything will come of it.

 

[Yolo]

When do I get my turkey?

 

[IVE GOTTA PACKAGE 4U]

When do I get my turkey?

We have one running the IBT.

 

[Frankie's Friend]

Better negotiators?

Maybe they were willing to compromise on certain issues to get some of what they wanted, unlike some other locals.

I don't know. I wasn't there. I, we, can only speculate.



In this case, yes.

They had 4 months. How many more months, or years, do they need?

If there was progress, I agree with you.

It's called an impasse. UPS was not going to give them what they wanted, and they were not backing off their demands.

Even if Hoffa gave them 5 more years, nothing would change. Neither side was backing down.



There was no more progress in negotiations.

UPS put their cards on the table. A bluff? Possibly.

Hoffa had a choice. Vote it or strike, and we all know how that was going to turn out.



I cannot disagree.



Again, I cannot disagree.

I was just aggravated this morning. Thx for being constructive.

My point is/was that we/I only have speculation because we werent there but we can see the one thing that's visible...

the locals' membership rose to the occasion when the bell rang.
They voted it down multiple times in great percentages when others didnt quite get it done.

I respect them for that.

 

[Frankie's Friend]

Like I said.... nothing ground breaking.


More 22.3 jobs;

Got that in the Master.


22.2 jobs:

They are listed a carwash/porter jobs. If they are 22.2.... good deal.


$400.00 pension increase;

We got that in the Master for the UPS/IBT plan in 2020.


Coffee break;

It was restored.


@IVE GOTTA PACKAGE 4U

I'm not knocking them.

But, a newly elected administration gets a break.... every time.

Remember...

The new 22.4 jobs are going to replace any new proposed 22.3 jobs.

So 804's (extra) negotiated 22.3s are a bonus!

 

[Frankie's Friend]

When do I get my turkey?

You can cook it in your pkg car in August when your 22.4 pkg car route is out for 14 hrs in the summer heat.

 

[IVE GOTTA PACKAGE 4U]

Remember...

The new 22.4 jobs are going to replace any new proposed 22.3 jobs.

So 804's (extra) negotiated 22.3s are a bonus!

Extra pension money that many other locals could use.

 

[Frankie's Friend]

Extra pension money that many other locals could use.

What is their 30 yr payout right now?
I thought it was pretty darn good before.