How much does your Ground Contractor pay you?

Discussion in 'FedEx Discussions' started by UnionGuy, Dec 23, 2019.

  1. bbsam

    bbsam Moderator Staff Member

    All contracts are the same. The money might be slightly different but the control that the company writes into the contract is the same for all.
     
  2. bbsam

    bbsam Moderator Staff Member

    It would likely come as a class action case.
     
  3. dmac1

    dmac1 Active Member

    Doesn't matter if contracts are the same if the cases are in different jurisdictions. If the case you have is in a county court, and another case even in the same state is in a different county, there is no precedent set. This exact thing happened in my case where I challenged the arbitration clause. It had already been found unconscionable in another district in the same state, but I had to go through the whole process in my district.

    It actually was appealed to the state supreme court where fedex dropped it, leaving no statewide precedent. My case against fedex could have proceeded after fedex dropped their challenge against the ruling more than 2 years after I originally filed the case.My attorneys had cited the previous case against fedex's arbitration clause, along with more similar cases, and the arbitration clause was found unconscionable for several reasons.

    I ended up leaving my solo case shortly after because the time frame indicidually was probably 5-6 more years, and I thought the class action would be quicker(ended up taking 6-7 years anyway), and thought the attorneys would take all the claims to court instead of settling, and my claims weren't all the same as the rest of the class. The attorneys gave up on a lot of the remaining claims and suggested that if it wasn't settled, it could take another 5-10 years for almost 20 years total, and end up in the supreme court, and of course they would not make any more money. In hindsight, I may have been better of by staying out of the class action. Hard to tell.
    The other driver who got the arbitration clause declared unconscionable had gone to court in the interim period, won his case, was awarded something like $120 million, which fedex appealed over and over, with the total award reduced from the original down to a couple million, including attorney fees and I think they finally settled out of court 8 years later. According to the contract, you were required to settle any dispute through arbitration, and the damages you could win were limited, so in order to get into court in the first place, you needed to challenge the arbitration clause. My attorney's assumed fedex dropped the appeal of the arbitration case so there would NOT be a statewide precedent.
     
    Last edited: Dec 30, 2019
  4. bbsam

    bbsam Moderator Staff Member

    I guess my overall point was that any changes would almost have to be systemic.

    Governments would have to decide that these contracts exist simply for the exploitation of labor.
     
  5. dmac1

    dmac1 Active Member

    Not many contractors will want to risk their investment with a challenge and in a class action, claims have to be very similar. And it would take years, and fedex would make minor changes, so getting the current contract declared illegal would change little. And attorneys don't want to challenge fedex in another class action after the last go-around. It took too long for the return they got.
     
  6. dmac1

    dmac1 Active Member

    I think that this government pretty clearly is in favor of exploiting labor. Otherwise, the minimum wage would have been tied to inflation 50 years ago, when one person could almost support a family on minimum wage.
     
  7. bbsam

    bbsam Moderator Staff Member

    Yep. Nothings going to change.
     
  8. bacha29

    bacha29 Well-Known Member

    Sam you've been at this long enough to know that change is the only constant and nothing from X's standpoint is truly binding.
     
  9. Signature Only

    Signature Only Blue in Brown

    What happens when you have an accident? Broken hand, fractured wrist, torn ACL?
    You can go through the best of bank accounts in weeks without good medical insurance.
     
  10. STFXG

    STFXG Well-Known Member

    We had one week we got maxed at 70 hours. Lowest paid driver earned 1750. Highest made 2300.
     
  11. dmac1

    dmac1 Active Member

    $1750 for 70 hours comes out to $20 an hour when you consider the requirement to pay overtime. $20 an hour with zero benefits compares to about $15-16 an hour with benefits like paid holdays, vacations, sick pay, not even including full heath insurance with decent copays. Health insurance- $6000 per year, paid national holidays- 7 days at ~$1200, 2 weeks paid vacation at ~$1500, sick pay~$1000, all for about $10,000 per year, or $200 per week, or about $5 an hour.
     
  12. STFXG

    STFXG Well-Known Member

    I offer all of that. Only difference is I offer a Health Reimbursement Account rather than traditional health benefits. For what health insurance would cost me employees can get their own plan or use the funds to pay for medical expenses from their spouses plan. It’s also pretax cash so it goes further.
     
  13. bacha29

    bacha29 Well-Known Member

    HRA huh? Doesn't mean a damn thing if there's no money in it. it's nothing these days to tie up upwards of 100K in a hip joint replacement. Of course there's always piling onto the spouses employer funded plan and burden the spouses employer with the premiums for health insurance to cover the people who are out there doing Fat Freddy's bidding.
     
  14. Fred's Myth

    Fred's Myth Nonhyphenated American

    Suddenly you’re against riding around in someone else’s pocket?

    Careful, you’ll end up becoming a conservative.
     
  15. bacha29

    bacha29 Well-Known Member

    Did you have to rely on your wife's employer funded healthcare plan for coverage while out doing Fat Freddy's bidding? Is conservatism the new word for mooching or perhaps leeching?
     
  16. Fred's Myth

    Fred's Myth Nonhyphenated American

    No, FedEx required us to both carry our own insurance.

    And, for the record, Fred S becoming filthy rich isn’t an issue for me. Any more than you becoming a warped, broken record is.
     
  17. bacha29

    bacha29 Well-Known Member

    Wait, you have to purchase your own third party health insurance and pay 100% of the premiums. As for a "warped, broken record"......you still listen to it everyday so it still must sound pretty good.
     
  18. It will be fine

    It will be fine Well-Known Member

    FedEx required what insurance your wife carried? That doesn’t sound right.
     
  19. Fred's Myth

    Fred's Myth Nonhyphenated American

    It would if you knew as much as you think you know.



    We're both employees of FedEx.
     
  20. It will be fine

    It will be fine Well-Known Member

    That’s unfortunate