My Fellow UPS Workers, The purpose of this discussion thread is not to gripe or complain about conditions at UPS, management, the Union or for that matter anything at all about UPS. The sole purpose of this discussion thread is to discuss the following work-related issue with other employees as an initial step in engaging in some concerted activity to bring this issue up to the company as a group. It is my hope that by addressing this issue in concert we not only be working for our own mutual aid, protection and improved working conditions, but we will be working for the benefit of any and all coworkers that may have been adversely affected by this issue. I was in a smaller facility recently and I saw one of the maintenance guys standing by a couple of beat up old cabinets. I asked him if he could show me where the maintenance shop was and he stated " your looking at it." The building was very dirty, dusty and generally unkempt. I spoke with him for a few minutes while he was working and he spoke of many serious issues within the Plant Engineering dept that many working at UPS probably don't even know exist. He said many of these issues have to do with general and widespread lack of integrity within the PE department. Does anyone have any similar experience with Plant Engineering at UPS?