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[vantexan]

No but I do find it unusual when someone speaks in Bible verse.

A bit strange, but you do you my friend.

It was a verse that applied to what you stated. I don't believe in making it up as I go.

 

[Thebrownblob]

Crickets @upschuck @oldngray @Thebrownblob @Integrity

I’m eating lunch. Again

 

[upschuck]

The age of miracles ceased in the first century. The purpose of miracles was to confirm the word being spoken was from God. Jesus was given the Holy Spirit (the power from the HS) without measure or all the power of Deity..."For he whom God has sent utters the words of God, for he gives the Spirit without measure." - John 3:34
The Apostles were given the power of the Holy Spirit in Acts 1 & Acts 2. That is what they were baptized with. Ability to preform miracles.But it was limited for a limited time. Some of that power(ability could be transferred to someone else by the Apostles laying on of their hands. "These they set before the apostles, and they prayed and laid their (The Apostles)hands on them. When the last person died that the last Apostle laid their hands on to impart miraculous ability, miracles ended.
The HS gave us the written word that guides us into all truth. Makes everybody equal. God is not a respecter of persons.

I see you saw a squirrel, and went off on a tangent. We were discussing the HS, not miracles.

 

[BrownFlush]

I see you saw a squirrel, and went off on a tangent. We were discussing the HS, not miracles.

You asked the question that had the HS and miracles in the same sentence..

So you think the only thing the HS is good for is miracles?

The Holy Spirit does not perform miracles today was the answer the comment provided.
Must have been too much scripture for you.

 

[Integrity]

I believe as a Christian that everything I need to know to live according to God's plan for us is found in the New Testament. I also believe it's not my right to ignore the writings of the Apostles but my duty as a Christian to follow scripture to the best of my ability. If I fall short then God's grace covers me if I pray for forgiveness and and in my heart sincerely try to comply with his Word.

Allow me.

So your answer to the question is no you do not believe everything in the Bible is worthy of emulating in your own walk with God while on this earth.

You pick the part of the Bible referred to as the New Testament and choose to seek to follow it.

I get it, you pick and choose like everyone else.

Thank you for answering

 

[Integrity]

It was a verse that applied to what you stated. I don't believe in making it up as I go.

IMO still a bit strange.

But then again I definitely don’t need to be point that out, I definitely should not be one to talk.

Scratch what I said and please forgive me.

 

[BrownFlush]

I don't believe parts of the Bible like you do would be a better way to say it.
You, @Thebrownblob, @oldngray, @Integrity have decided that the indwelling of the Holy Spirit is an actual, literal, personal indwelling.
My position is the Bible teaches the HS dwells in the Christian the same way God and Jesus does. It is by the influence/instrument of the word. There is no place in the Bible where the Holy Spirit was literally "in" someone. Plenty of places where His power was in someone because the HS gave them that power. That power allowed first century Christians to preform miracles . The reason was to confirm what they were teaching and preaching was from God. Remember, the New Testament was not written yet.
I have offered plenty of scripture that proves my position.
I have asked questions about your position that no one answers. You know why no one answers? Because it proves your position cannot be right.

You must have seen a bear in this comment. You're still running @upschuck

 

[upschuck]

Acts 20:7 "On the first day of the week, when we were gathered together to break bread, Paul talked with them....
1 Corinthians 16:1-2 "Now concerning the collection for the saints: as I directed the churches of Galatia, so you also are to do. On the first day of every week, each of you is to put something aside and store it up, as he may prosper, so that there will be no collecting when I come."
Tough to follow these examples and direct commands on Saturday. This is called pattern

We're does it say that is a "requirement "? Maybe Paul was delayed a day, and couldn't wait til the next Saturday. It doesn't say.

On that line of thought, it says you can only eat on Sundays.

The second is similar to the first fruits, don't wait to the last second.

Again, nothing saying it is a requirement.

 

[upschuck]

You asked the question that had the HS and miracles in the same sentence..

The Holy Spirit does not perform miracles today was the answer the comment provided.
Must have been too much scripture for you.

It was a question, that's all. You read more into it than was intended.

Question still hasn't been answered, though.

 

[BrownFlush]

We're does it say that is a "requirement "? Maybe Paul was delayed a day, and couldn't wait til the next Saturday. It doesn't say.

On that line of thought, it says you can only eat on Sundays.

The second is similar to the first fruits, don't wait to the last second.

Again, nothing saying it is a requirement.

This is the Lord's Supper, Grasshopper. This is not common food. This is a binding Apostolic example. Every week has first day. This is when they met. That means if they practiced it we do the same.
I Cor. 16.is a command.

 

[BrownFlush]

It was a question, that's all. You read more into it than was intended.

Question still hasn't been answered, though.

Which part of your question was not answered ?
The HS was definitely good for miracles 2000 years ago. Your question has no relevance today.

 

[upschuck]

You must have seen a bear in this comment. You're still running @upschuck

1 Corinthians 3:16
Do you not know that you are a temple of God and that the Spirit of God dwells in you?


That one does.

 

[vantexan]

Allow me.

So your answer to the question is no you do not believe everything in the Bible is worthy of emulating in your own walk with God while on this earth.

You pick the part of the Bible referred to as the New Testament and choose to seek to follow it.

I get it, you pick and choose like everyone else.

Thank you for answering

So you believe that what I'm doing is similar to what you do? Where did I say that I don't believe in the Old Testament? As I've said before everything found in the Old Testament that is necessary for us to follow is found in the New Testament. As a Christian you are aware that as followers of Christ we aren't bound by Old Testament law as the Jews were? That Christ's death and resurrection did away with the Old Law? If you read your New Testament you would be aware of that. So are you a member of the Lord's Church or are you a member of Integrity's church? Because if you choose to ignore New Testament scripture then you aren't in the Lord's Church and this is exactly why there are about 500 different denominations. Men doing what they want instead of just submitting to God's will.

 

[BrownFlush]

1 Corinthians 3:16
Do you not know that you are a temple of God and that the Spirit of God dwells in you?


That one does.

Sure does.
Do you really not see "how" I have stated the Bible teaches the HS dwells in a Christian? Maybe read the comments slower and you will be able to ask better questions.
The Bible teaches that the HS dwells in a person by the word of God. By the knowledge or knowing what the word of God says which was written by the HS. This is the same way the Bible states Jesus dwells in you as well as God.
The Holy Spirit has never been"in" anyone literally or personally anymore than God or Jesus has. Yet, the Bible is very plain that they are "in " you. I have provided those passages. If you can't find them let me know.

 

[Integrity]

So you believe that what I'm doing is similar to what you do? Where did I say that I don't believe in the Old Testament? As I've said before everything found in the Old Testament that is necessary for us to follow is found in the New Testament. As a Christian you are aware that as followers of Christ we aren't bound by Old Testament law as the Jews were? That Christ's death and resurrection did away with the Old Law? If you read your New Testament you would be aware of that. So are you a member of the Lord's Church or are you a member of Integrity's church? Because if you choose to ignore New Testament scripture then you aren't in the Lord's Church and this is exactly why there are about 500 different denominations. Men doing what they want instead of just submitting to God's will.

Yes I do.

Face it you pick and choose what you want to believe like everyone else on the BC and on the planet earth.

 

[Integrity]

Sure does.
Do you really not see "how" I have stated the Bible teaches the HS dwells in a Christian? Maybe read the comments slower and you will be able to ask better questions.
The Bible teaches that the HS dwells in a person by the word of God. By the knowledge or knowing what the word of God says which was written by the HS. This is the same way the Bible states Jesus dwells in you as well as God.
The Holy Spirit has never been"in" anyone literally or personally anymore than God or Jesus has. Yet, the Bible is very plain that they are "in " you. I have provided those passages. If you can't find them let me know.

So in other words they are in you, but they are not in you, but they are in, you but they are not in you, but they are in you, but they are not In you……

Do you believe the Holy Spirit wrote the Bible or inspired the writings that were written by the authors of the various manuscripts.?

 

[BrownFlush]

Maybe Paul was delayed a day, and couldn't wait til the next Saturday. It doesn't say.

They didn't meet for Paul. The met to worship God on the first day of the week. Paul was passing through.

 

[BrownFlush]

So in other words they are in you, but they are not in you, but they are in, you but they are not in you, but they are in you, but they are not In you……

Do you believe the Holy Spirit wrote the Bible or inspired the writings that were written by the authors of the various manuscripts.?

No comment.
Sometimes the density is too much.

GET IT....
The Bible teaches the Godhead (The Holy Spirit, God, Jesus) dwells in a Christian representatively through/by the word.
The Bible does not teach that the Godhead (The Holy Spirit, God, Jesus) dwells in anyone, and has ever dwelled in anyone literally.

 

[upschuck]

This is the Lord's Supper, Grasshopper. This is not common food. This is a binding Apostolic example. Every week has first day. This is when they met. That means if they practiced it we do the same.
I Cor. 16.is a command.

Commands would be a lot clearer than that. Lol

 

[BrownFlush]

Commands would be a lot clearer than that. Lol

Commands are not the only way one establishes scriptural authority.
1 Cor. 16:2 is a command.