Management Blows
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The answer is, in my experience, the union stewards are held to a lower standard, and only in exceptional cases where a steward is voted in by MEMBERS and despised by management, that the company (and maybe union) may have it out for that steward. Then the local and UPS via corruption will make it happen. Otherwise, UPS and Teamsters de-facto "appointed" reps are very cozy.
Whatbrownwontdoforyou
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Just so I’m clear.....you were just standing there the steward had to pulled away by a couple of guys....you did nothing except make a few comments and Ups walked you off property.....you had your local hearing and theyvuoheld the discharge after hearing you did nothing except making a few comments.......yeah ok....I call bs
Management Blows
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I don’t blame you for thinking that way. If it didn’t happen to me I’d call BS if someone told me this story too
brown_trousers
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Ive always wondered what the burden of proof is in matters like this. Does there need to be witnesses? Physical evidence? Or is it just whatever management feels like?
Management Blows
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I agree 100%. Luckily, I’m confident I prepared for those variables
542thruNthru
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Are you the same guy that started a thread about a week ago? Was escorted by police at the meeting? The thread seems to be gone so just making sure.
Work with your BA and talk to your lawyer. No one here is going to be able to help you more then those 2.
Work with your BA and talk to your lawyer. No one here is going to be able to help you more then those 2.
Management Blows
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I am. I have had trouble getting quality communication with the BA. Attorney is in fact waiting to see this play out. You are absolutely correct. Just still nervous, never been in this situation
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If i remember correctly you exposed the mansgement's preferential treatment of the steward for the the same alleged infraction/violation and he came unglued toward you and he had to be removed by force from the office. Dude, is this correct?
Management Blows
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That is 100% correct
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Frankie's Friend
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Got any witnesses for your side? Someone passing by the office or bystanders that witnessed him getting removed and (breaching the peace by) him yelling? You better get statements. Its all youve got by the looks of this from the outside. You shouldve called the cops. You cant be normal in this job and think people will just do the right thing.
Management Blows
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I can’t elaborate too much until tomorrow (day of second meeting to determine if it goes to arbitration), but I feel I can prove beyond a reasonable doubt what he claims never happened.
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Frankie's Friend
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Reread my edited post. You arent dealing with mother teresa here. Your dealing with the devil. Never forget that because its never queen for a day dude its war.
Management Blows
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To be honest nothing happened that warranted me calling the cops on anyone. It truly was a disagreement between two grown men. He got loud, I did afterwards. No threats from either side. It looks like a group effort by him and management to me. I’ll have to wait to see the proof they have and who said the same thing he did to say for sure. Just confused as to how he can say whatever he did without management backing him? Although I expect grimy actions by them, this is beyond low. I have no words to explain the actions of the steward. If he said something off the wall and I prove differently, imo he should be escorted off the property
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Well by your rendition it appears that YOU didnt do anything to warrant termination via the workplace violence train either. You got railroaded and now get to fight your way back into employment by trying to nullify the testimony of (supposedly) many. Calling the cops was your only way to document FACTS in front if a neutral party because you said that theyve had it in for you for some time and therefore you knew what lied ahead. How many of your coworkers will speak or just sign documents against an active steward especially after he got management to turn the table on you? Prob 0. You needed to fight smarter imo seeing that you knew the system was corrupt. Saying "I feel threatened" may have saved your neck that day.
Management Blows
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Completely understand your thoughts. I hope you see that I could never imagine a steward, fellow union employee, could do something like this. Did he get favors? Yes. Is he in their pocket? Yes. Does he participate in keeping grievances from being filed? Yes. BUT....this? Completely blindsided me. To falsify statement to take a mans job is as low as one can go imo, besides hurting children. That being said, I covered myself pretty well too. As well as one can. If I remain terminated I never had a job anyway. It was a matter of time. Especially if a union “brother “ can stoop that low. I couldn’t tell the police anything anyway. All I had was he yelled at me. That’s all he had too. I’d go down in a ball of flames and sleep better any day versus lying and costing someone their job
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PS/ The NLRB and the companys anti-harrassment policy is something every employee should read and understsnd. It not only give you the perimeters of what you can and can't do/say on the job (some off the job too) and it also gives you knowledge of what management cannot do to you either. It swings both ways dude and its better that when things go down andI they will here you know how to legally respond.
Management Blows
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I have learned one thing very well. And that’s the fact that policy is for entertainment purposes only unless it’s beneficial to whatever agenda HR/management have. Investigation benefits what they want? They’ll pull out all the stops. Not so much? Simply brushed aside. NLRB may be different story. I contacted them and plan to file charges on everyone that lied. Really looking forward to tomorrow just to see the level of lies they told. Will not sleep well due to anticipation more so nerves. The chips have already been pushed in the middle of table. Outcome will be what it is. I hope they went all out. If one is lying, why not? May as well swing for the fences
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Youll sleep better knowing that you were smart enough to save yours. The anti-anti-harassment policy protects your job. You may have been blindsighted but you knew the score when you went into the office. If your job isnt worth fighting for, using every tool available, then walk away. Otherwise fight the corruption perfusely. They had to drag the steward out of the office. Dude, thats radical crap right there.
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Think about this. They deemed you mentally and socially competent to drive a commercial vehicle and meet the public after the office debacle. Do you realize that shows you to be stable at that time. They are screwed unless theres more to the story. Its like a cop pulling you over for drunk driving, saying that he observed you as not competent to drive the motor vehicle but lets you drive home. They proved that you were sane and competent when they let you leave on your route even if they came and took you out of service later. Theyre stupid.
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