The Postal Reform Act Of 2022

[bacha29]

How are they competing on a level playing field when supported by the Government? UPS and FedEx pay in corporate income tax money and road use and fuel tax…does USPS? USPS certainly not paying tax on income they lose money. Ever notice their usps Owned vehicles all have government plates? No registration no license fees. What else to they get a break on because they are a government entity?

Government should let private business compete with each other, not with the government.

A federal postal system is a constitutional requirement and despite the best efforts of people like Fat Freddy and Louis DeJoy to destroy it, it will remain long after you and I are gone. So you tell me, how long do you think any private enterprise burdened down in a manner similar what the USPS has been burdened with these past decades would have lasted?

 

[bacha29]

Everything you said misses the point. The younger generations have gotten screwed by the US government. I know you want to be able to give conservatives a pass on this, but they’ve always patted themselves on the back and refused to put their names on meaningful spending cuts…unless of course they knew the spending cuts wouldn’t pass.

Why?

Because spending cuts are political suicide? Ever see a senator vote to close a military base in his own state? Ever see a representative not take FEMA funds? Of course not. Whether there are deficits or not, conservatives will spend as much of not more than democrats. It’s not even an argument with merit to say otherwise.

Never a better example of it that the American Rescue Act. Every GOP member of Congress voted against it but didn't send back a single dime when the money arrived while making every effort to avoid having to acknowledge the fact that the money is spread out over a 3 year period and contains guidelines on how and where the money will be spent.

 

[bacha29]

Just in case you're keeping score, a tax break that allows for a major capital expenditure doesn't create jobs, but loaning money to poor people who can't pay it back DOES.

Oh so every poor person who has been loaned money has never paid it back? If nobody was willing to loan your mom money you would never had her basement to live in today.

 

[bacha29]

Except as has been borne out again and again the tax cuts result in increased revenue to the government due to the increased economic activity that happens when people can keep more of what they earn. However people like you say oh look, there's more revenue, let's find new ways to spend it. The few years I haven't paid taxes were more than offset by the stimulus checks I didn't get. Meanwhile letting hardened criminals walk the streets has resulted in more crime, more victims, and increased costs. Seems the Democratic leadership would offset that by spending more on salaries and manpower but they care more about the criminals than the victims.

What stood out among your comments was the crying about not getting a stimulus check. A true conservative would have never mentioned it to begin with.

You keep trying to draw a historical line between one set of Democrat social programs and others. On one side are the programs that will allow you to live in a modest but dignified and fairly secure fashion as the ravages of ageing continue to win the battle of life. They are in your opinion what you call "social insurance" (lol) whatever the hell that is and fully support because they will directly impact in a positive manner the quality of life you will have going forward. While on the other side of the line are the programs that are for one reason or another are the ones that you'll likely have little opportunity to qualify for. Those in your opinion encapsulate evil Democrat socialism and must be abolished.

And BTW. Given your nomadic employment history....how much unemployment compensation benefits have you drawn over your lifetime?

 

[Fred's Myth]

Never a better example of it that the American Rescue Act. Every GOP member of Congress voted against it but didn't send back a single dime when the money arrived while making every effort to avoid having to acknowledge the fact that the money is spread out over a 3 year period and contains guidelines on how and where the money will be spent.

Your standards are garbage.

If Congress passes a law, are all who opposed it supposed to ignore it?

Idiot.

 

[AKCoverMan]

A federal postal system is a constitutional requirement and despite the best efforts of people like Fat Freddy and Louis DeJoy to destroy it, it will remain long after you and I are gone. So you tell me, how long do you think any private enterprise burdened down in a manner similar what the USPS has been burdened with these past decades would have lasted?

You miss the point. Why should USPS today in modern world be allowed to compete against private, tax generating entities. I work hard, make great money, then see a quarter of it siphoned off. Some of that goes to support my direct competitor whom, based on what my customers tell me, I run circles around.

the Post Office is not something sacred that must remain forever. Like the steam engine, it had its time and place. Paper letter mail is going to become obsolete just as paper newspapers and land line telephones are dissaperaing. Seen any video stores or photo developing kiosks lately? Western Union telegram delivery?

Things change. Staple items of “The Good Old Days” are not necessarily going to be part of our world in the future.

 

[bacha29]

You miss the point. Why should USPS today in modern world be allowed to compete against private, tax generating entities. I work hard, make great money, then see a quarter of it siphoned off. Some of that goes to support my direct competitor whom, based on what my customers tell me, I run circles around.

the Post Office is not something sacred that must remain forever. Like the steam engine, it had its time and place. Paper letter mail is going to become obsolete just as paper newspapers and land line telephones are dissaperaing. Seen any video stores or photo developing kiosks lately? Western Union telegram delivery?

Things change. Staple items of “The Good Old Days” are not necessarily going to be part of our world in the future.

Wrong. The USPS receives ZERO public dollars. So wherever you're weekly payroll withholding might be going it's not to the USPS. BTW the other private sector transports do not answer to anything similar to the Post Rate Commission which the USPS has to answer to. Oh one other thing , the USPS is a "public service" . it isn't free to take what they want while turning down what they don't want.

 

[bacha29]

Your standards are garbage.

If Congress passes a law, are all who opposed it supposed to ignore it?

Idiot.

It's called political hypocrisy. Just as the entire GOP caucus gathered together and to a man vote against the ARA they could have just as easily gathered together and send back every dime as a testament to their strength of their convictions. One of the greatest examples of pure GOP conservatism in the history of this nation....In an effort to see who the real idiot is,...you tell me.. why didn't they do it?....The law only made it available to the states. Nothing was forced onto them. Their GOP controlled legislatures could have easily voted to refuse the cash and send it back.....You know...."states rights".

 

[vantexan]

What stood out among your comments was the crying about not getting a stimulus check. A true conservative would have never mentioned it to begin with.

You keep trying to draw a historical line between one set of Democrat social programs and others. On one side are the programs that will allow you to live in a modest but dignified and fairly secure fashion as the ravages of ageing continue to win the battle of life. They are in your opinion what you call "social insurance" (lol) whatever the hell that is and fully support because they will directly impact in a positive manner the quality of life you will have going forward. While on the other side of the line are the programs that are for one reason or another are the ones that you'll likely have little opportunity to qualify for. Those in your opinion encapsulate evil Democrat socialism and must be abolished.

And BTW. Given your nomadic employment history....how much unemployment compensation benefits have you drawn over your lifetime?

I've never drawn unemployment. And I've told you before that if it's a program we can afford then fine. You seem offended by the idea that we must be fiscally responsible. Typical.

 

[AKCoverMan]

Wrong. The USPS receives ZERO public dollars. So wherever you're weekly payroll withholding might be going it's not to the USPS. BTW the other private sector transports do not answer to anything similar to the Post Rate Commission which the USPS has to answer to. Oh one other thing , the USPS is a "public service" . it isn't free to take what they want while turning down what they don't want.

USPS receives all kinds of federal support. Do you really think huge brick and mortar post offices built in every small town were paid for with postage stamps? Do you not understand post office loses money every year, how do they still exist? No licence and registration, exempt from most all taxes. You can’t have an entity lose as much as USPS and not get propped up or you will cease to exist

And as to the “public service” part how do you explain the endless stories I hear from customers who order and the shipper uses the post office and post office just returns it as “unknown address” but I drive right to their door and deliver with a smile. But I have to help support the USPS.

I don’t mind competing. I know I out service the USPS every day. But my competition should not get taxpayer support and it’s obvious they are.

 

[AKCoverMan]

We service every physical address which the USPS does not.

 

[vantexan]

Wrong. The USPS receives ZERO public dollars. So wherever you're weekly payroll withholding might be going it's not to the USPS. BTW the other private sector transports do not answer to anything similar to the Post Rate Commission which the USPS has to answer to. Oh one other thing , the USPS is a "public service" . it isn't free to take what they want while turning down what they don't want.

OK, you said earlier they are going to get the resources necessary to be competitive with private companies. Where's that money coming from?

 

[bacha29]

We service every physical address which the USPS does not.

You may service every zip but you do NOT service every shipper.

 

[vantexan]

You may service every zip but you do NOT service every shipper.

I'm betting you've serviced quite a few.

 

[bacha29]

USPS receives all kinds of federal support. Do you really think huge brick and mortar post offices built in every small town were paid for with postage stamps? Do you not understand post office loses money every year, how do they still exist? No licence and registration, exempt from most all taxes. You can’t have an entity lose as much as USPS and not get propped up or you will cease to exist

And as to the “public service” part how do you explain the endless stories I hear from customers who order and the shipper uses the post office and post office just returns it as “unknown address” but I drive right to their door and deliver with a smile. But I have to help support the USPS.

I don’t mind competing. I know I out service the USPS every day. But my competition should not get taxpayer support and it’s obvious they are.

Your shipper gets no public subsidies? No tax credits? No free property tax exemptions? No federally supported worker training and education? No discounted water and sewage rates? Neither FDX or AMZN has paid a dime in federal corporate income tax in years. So don't try to feed me that nonsense about paying taxes.

 

[AKCoverMan]

You may service every zip but you do NOT service every shipper.

Actually we do, we may pick and choose who we sign contract for discount rates but virtually anyone can log on and stop a package with us. Just like USPS. We will blacklist a shipper if they don’t pay their bill but pretty sure USPS will Too.

 

[AKCoverMan]

Neither FDX or AMZN has paid a dime in federal corporate income tax in years. So don't try to feed me that nonsense about paying taxes.

Just looking at very public SEC filings FedEx paid $1.6B in US federal corp income tax on their most recent fiscal year end statement. UPS paid $3.7B. That’s before fuel tax on every gallon, registration and license fees etc. employer payroll tax. USPS not so much.

 

[AKCoverMan]

Oh and Im not an AMZN cheerleader but since you asked.. $4.7B in corporate income tax last year, $2.8B in 2020, and $2.3B in 2019. USPS lost billions each of those years so I’m pretty sure they getting cash infusion somewhere.

 

[DriveInDriveOut]

In an effort to see who the real idiot is,...you tell me.. why didn't they do it?....The law only made it available to the states. Nothing was forced onto them. Their GOP controlled legislatures could have easily voted to refuse the cash and send it back.....You know...."states rights".

If someone steals from you, then offers you your money back, only an idiot would refuse it because they're against theft. And only an idiot wouldn't be able to grasp this simple concept.

 

[Thesearecrazytimes]

Just looking at very public SEC filings FedEx paid $1.6B in US federal corp income tax on their most recent fiscal year end statement. UPS paid $3.7B. That’s before fuel tax on every gallon, registration and license fees etc. employer payroll tax. USPS not so much.

Fedex and UPS did not pay those taxes. They got that money from the consumer, and passed it along to the government. Fedex profited, UPS profited, the government profited, but the consumer just got indirectly taxed. If the government raises taxes on a corporation, that corporation just increases its costs to the consumer. If, for example, I charged 50 cents for an ice cream cone and the government raised my corporate taxes by 10%, that same ice cream price would increase to 55 cents. (Or I would shelter my revenue in another country.)