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vantexan

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So in your opinion we have to trash can Obamacare so we can save Medicare? Just another guy who wants to eliminate all programs that do not benefit himself personally in order to ensure the survival of the ones that do benefit him. Go ahead bring up the fact that I am a center/left Democrat while at the same time longing for the day when you can enjoy the benefits of Medicare a purely Democrat initiative which encountered blistering GOP opposition in particular Bob Dole who while serving in the House filibustered the House in an attempt to get the Medicare bill back into committee where he had the votes to kill it. If he had succeeded then today it would have been up to you to figure what to do about your future healthcare needs and how to pay for them Just another Republican hypocrite. Condemns any effort by government to resolve festering social problems that the private sector ignores or exasperates but if it can benefit you you're standing right there with your hand out . I admire your conservative convictions but face the facts you don't have enough of the personal wealth needed to support them. Like they say if you can't talk the talk if you can't walk the walk.
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We should trash Obamacare because it's hurting families, individuals, business, and the medical industry. Medicare has been the law of the land since the 60's, and I have been paying into it for decades. Your logic that only card carrying liberals have the right to use it is ludicrous.
 
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vantexan said:
We should trash Obamacare because it's hurting families, individuals, business, and the medical industry. Medicare has been the law of the land since the 60's, and I have been paying into it for decades. Your logic that only card carrying liberals have the right to use it is ludicrous.
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Don't give me that nonsense about paying into it for decades. People yak about paying into Social Security but the cold fact is that when you retire at 66 you have your entire contribution drawn out at age 69. Likewise with Medicare. If you are as ill as you say you are in the days ahead the Medicare funded services you will use will exceed what you payed in many times over which using your way of thinking will hurt all the people you say Obamacare will harm. If the election produces the hard line conservative political agenda you embrace rest assured you will not like it because EVERY New Deal Great Society social program will be on the chopping block including Medicare . So when the political dust settles the programs you are basing your retirement on are eliminated or altered in a manner that harms you don't go crying to the progressive's to make it whole again because we won't have the votes in Congress to change it for years to come if ever.
 
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vantexan

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Don't give me that nonsense about paying into it for decades. People yak about paying into Social Security but the cold fact is that when you retire at 66 you have your entire contribution drawn out at age 69. Likewise with Medicare. If you are as ill as you say you are in the days ahead the Medicare funded services you will use will exceed what you payed in many times over which using your way of thinking will hurt all the people you say Obamacare will harm. If the election produces the hard line conservative political agenda you embrace rest assured you will not like it because EVERY New Deal Great Society social program will be on the chopping block including Medicare . So when the political dust settles the programs you are basing your retirement on are eliminated or altered in a manner that harms you don't go crying to the progressive's to make it whole again because we won't have the votes in Congress to change it for years to come if ever.
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bacha29 said:
Don't give me that nonsense about paying into it for decades. People yak about paying into Social Security but the cold fact is that when you retire at 66 you have your entire contribution drawn out at age 69. Likewise with Medicare. If you are as ill as you say you are in the days ahead the Medicare funded services you will use will exceed what you payed in many times over which using your way of thinking will hurt all the people you say Obamacare will harm. If the election produces the hard line conservative political agenda you embrace rest assured you will not like it because EVERY New Deal Great Society social program will be on the chopping block including Medicare . So when the political dust settles the programs you are basing your retirement on are eliminated or altered in a manner that harms you don't go crying to the progressive's to make it whole again because we won't have the votes in Congress to change it for years to come if ever.
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Hey genius your money contributed decades ago was worth a lot more than it is now. And for the millionth time, no one puts money into anything expecting to only get that amount back. And as much as you want it to be so, Social Security isn't Socialism. And I can say it until I'm blue in the face but it doesn't register, but I've repeatedly said Social Security is the best idea Democrats have ever had. And that's the difference between me and you. I gladly point out what the Democrats get right, even if most of what they do I disagree with. You on the other hand are so consumed with partisan hatred you'll never recognize anything Republicans do as good. And you go to great lengths spinning BS to discredit them.
 
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bacha29 said:
Don't give me that nonsense about paying into it for decades. People yak about paying into Social Security but the cold fact is that when you retire at 66 you have your entire contribution drawn out at age 69. Likewise with Medicare. If you are as ill as you say you are in the days ahead the Medicare funded services you will use will exceed what you payed in many times over which using your way of thinking will hurt all the people you say Obamacare will harm. If the election produces the hard line conservative political agenda you embrace rest assured you will not like it because EVERY New Deal Great Society social program will be on the chopping block including Medicare . So when the political dust settles the programs you are basing your retirement on are eliminated or altered in a manner that harms you don't go crying to the progressive's to make it whole again because we won't have the votes in Congress to change it for years to come if ever.
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What a maroon. You prove your ignorance with EVERY post. My last SS statement had me at about 115k in contributions and growing each week. I believe I would be due about $2200 a month IF I waited till 66, which I won't. How does $2200 a month from age 66 to 69 equal 115k? Man, when they were handing out brains, you must have thought they said rain.
 
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bacha29

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What a maroon. You prove your ignorance with EVERY post. My last SS statement had me at about 115k in contributions and growing each week. I believe I would be due about $2200 a month IF I waited till 66, which I won't. How does $2200 a month from age 66 to 69 equal 115k? Man, when they were handing out brains, you must have thought they said rain.
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115,000 divided by 26,400= 4.36 years and Social Security deposits only earning Treasury bill rates which are currently paying 1.8% top end.
 
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bacha29

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vantexan said:
Hey genius your money contributed decades ago was worth a lot more than it is now. And for the millionth time, no one puts money into anything expecting to only get that amount back. And as much as you want it to be so, Social Security isn't Socialism. And I can say it until I'm blue in the face but it doesn't register, but I've repeatedly said Social Security is the best idea Democrats have ever had. And that's the difference between me and you. I gladly point out what the Democrats get right, even if most of what they do I disagree with. You on the other hand are so consumed with partisan hatred you'll never recognize anything Republicans do as good. And you go to great lengths spinning BS to discredit them.
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Hey Van seriously you better go back and ask your TM for you job back. The first word out of the GOP hardliners this morning is entitlement "reform". Translation.... The programs that define the New Deal and the Great Society are now history. Anyone who does not have enough personal financial resources to provide for all of their needs are not likely to have much to look forward in the way of retirement if they can retire at all. The core Republication ideal still remains. If you're not rich it's your fault. By the way just exactly what legislation has your beloved GOP passed recently that was specifically to designed to benefit the working class?
 
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115,000 divided by 26,400= 4.36 years and Social Security deposits only earning Treasury bill rates which are currently paying 1.8% top end.
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Did my deposits going back over 40 years not earn any return? Plus, I believe my employer has put in a equal amount, so there is a chance I will never get back what was put in on my behalf. I would have rather had that money in my control. I could do a lot with that money even in a conservative investment.
 
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bacha29

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Did my deposits going back over 40 years not earn any return? Plus, I believe my employer has put in a equal amount, so there is a chance I will never get back what was put in on my behalf. I would have rather had that money in my control. I could do a lot with that money even in a conservative investment.
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Yea Bush wanted to do that on the eve of the financial collapse when due to the repeal of Glass Steagle the bill that kept merchant banks separate from investment banks many big ones were on the verge of collapsing and some did. Sure I bet that the banks would love to have your money. The deposits are not insured, subject to wild market fluctuations driven by short selling and options trading some done by the bank itself. Don't forget management fees and commissions and best of all your employer FICA contributions would end right there. Like Trump would say....."this is going to be beautiful ....and it's going to be YUGE"! Yea for the banks. And don't forget the smaller the account balance the larger the management fees.
 
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Yea Bush wanted to do that on the eve of the financial collapse when due to the repeal of Glass Steagle the bill that kept merchant banks separate from investment banks many big ones were on the verge of collapsing and some did. Sure I bet that the banks would love to have your money. The deposits are not insured, subject to wild market fluctuations driven by short selling and options trading some done by the bank itself. Don't forget management fees and commissions and best of all your employer FICA contributions would end right there. Like Trump would say....."this is going to be beautiful ....and it's going to be YUGE"! Yea for the banks. And don't forget the smaller the account balance the larger the management fees.
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More B.S. mass hysteria with no foundation. And Wiki-Leaks showed Hillary was in bed with Wall Street. As far as the Republicans passing meaningful legislation, pretty hard to do with a Democrat President hellbent on vetoing anything Republicans passed.
 
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vantexan

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bacha29 said:
Hey Van seriously you better go back and ask your TM for you job back. The first word out of the GOP hardliners this morning is entitlement "reform". Translation.... The programs that define the New Deal and the Great Society are now history. Anyone who does not have enough personal financial resources to provide for all of their needs are not likely to have much to look forward in the way of retirement if they can retire at all. The core Republication ideal still remains. If you're not rich it's your fault. By the way just exactly what legislation has your beloved GOP passed recently that was specifically to designed to benefit the working class?
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If you think they're ending Social Security you're out of your mind. And guess what, entitlements need to be reformed. Trump wasn't my choice, but infinitely better than that crook y'all nominated. Obama just about broke the bank, Hillary would've finished the job.
 
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Oldfart

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bacha29 said:
Yea Bush wanted to do that on the eve of the financial collapse when due to the repeal of Glass Steagle the bill that kept merchant banks separate from investment banks many big ones were on the verge of collapsing and some did. Sure I bet that the banks would love to have your money. The deposits are not insured, subject to wild market fluctuations driven by short selling and options trading some done by the bank itself. Don't forget management fees and commissions and best of all your employer FICA contributions would end right there. Like Trump would say....."this is going to be beautiful ....and it's going to be YUGE"! Yea for the banks. And don't forget the smaller the account balance the larger the management fees.
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Lol You like to SOUND like you know what you are talking about.
 
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