22.4s Next Contract?

[Pullman Brown]

Our local BA says UPS not only wants the 7 day schedule but is pushing to create a totally flexible schedule in which week to week, you will be scheduled to work any given 5 days. Maybe we'd get the schedule a week or two in advance but we'd have the lifestyle of a retail worker. If you have an important weekend event, you could request weeks in advance and hope for the best.

By the way, he fully expects we're going on strike saying UPS is demanding concessions across the board.

This is ridiculous. They better not even bring this to a vote. It will never pass.

 

[IVE GOTTA PACKAGE 4U]

This is ridiculous. They better not even bring this to a vote. It will never pass.

This current they was proposing three 13 hour days

 

[Pullman Brown]

This current they was proposing three 13 hour days

Do they really think this will ever get passed?

 

[IVE GOTTA PACKAGE 4U]

Do they really think this will ever get passed?

Maybe under Hoffa..

 

[Pullman Brown]

Maybe under Hoffa..

It might work in feeders but it’s a pipe dream to think it would work in package.

 

[IVE GOTTA PACKAGE 4U]

It might work in feeders but it’s a pipe dream to think it would work in package.

You can't do 13 hours a day in package on a regular basis

 

[JL 0513]

Apparently, UPS sounds completely tone deaf in the negotiations as if the word "strike" hasn't been uttered millions of times this past year and as if no member is still mad over the last contract. Hopefully reality sets in soon.

 

[IVE GOTTA PACKAGE 4U]

Apparently, UPS sounds completely tone deaf in the negotiations as if the word "strike" hasn't been uttered millions of times this past year and as if no member is still mad over the last contract. Hopefully reality sets in soon.

You cannot blame UPS for this current contract

Bobby awesome dude I do have some issues on how we was treated during the pandemic

 

[PT Car Washer]

Our local BA says UPS not only wants the 7 day schedule but is pushing to create a totally flexible schedule in which week to week, you will be scheduled to work any given 5 days. Maybe we'd get the schedule a week or two in advance but we'd have the lifestyle of a retail worker. If you have an important weekend event, you could request weeks in advance and hope for the best.

By the way, he fully expects we're going on strike saying UPS is demanding concessions across the board.

Going to be a lot of retirements this Fall if a strike last that long.

 

[JL 0513]

Going to be a lot of retirements this Fall if a strike last that long.

If a strike last more than 2 weeks, UPS is committing suicide. I can't see them holding out longer than that.

 

[542thruNthru]

Our local BA says UPS not only wants the 7 day schedule but is pushing to create a totally flexible schedule in which week to week, you will be scheduled to work any given 5 days. Maybe we'd get the schedule a week or two in advance but we'd have the lifestyle of a retail worker. If you have an important weekend event, you could request weeks in advance and hope for the best.

By the way, he fully expects we're going on strike saying UPS is demanding concessions across the board.

They wanted the same thing last contract also. No way we ever agree to it.

 

[noril]

I expect every sup to have no forced sixth punch language.

This raises a question in my mind...in general, what issues are covered by the NMA and what goes in the supplementals? If every supplemental has no forced sixth punch, why not just put that in the national?

 

[AKCoverMan]

Our local BA says UPS not only wants the 7 day schedule but is pushing to create a totally flexible schedule in which week to week, you will be scheduled to work any given 5 days. Maybe we'd get the schedule a week or two in advance but we'd have the lifestyle of a retail worker. If you have an important weekend event, you could request weeks in advance and hope for the best.

By the way, he fully expects we're going on strike saying UPS is demanding concessions across the board.

Yeah but that’s the way it starts. We ask for the Sun and the Moon with every other Friday off and a free puppy in our proposal. Oh, and a turkey. Definitely a turkey.

Meanwhile their proposal brings back leg irons and bull whips. That was first round. Methinks the logjam is starting to break up…slowly. Ideally the closer we get to July 31 the more that trend will continue.

Sean has been very clear: no contract extensions this time around.

 

[Thebrownblob]

Yeah but that’s the way it starts. We ask for the Sun and the Moon with every other Friday off and a free puppy in our proposal. Oh, and a turkey. Definitely a turkey.

Meanwhile their proposal brings back leg irons and bull whips. That was first round. Methinks the logjam is starting to break up…slowly. Ideally the closer we get to July 31 the more that trend will continue.

Sean has been very clear: no contract extensions this time around.

Wait a minute I’m down with a leg irons I’ll have a great excuse why I’m over allowed, and I’ll have some great thighs.

 

[AKCoverMan]

This current they was proposing three 13 hour days

Ok nearly 30 years ago I worked a union airline job in Denver.. we had schedules we could bid that were three 12 hour days and a 4 hour day. The short day was either the PM of first day of week or AM of the last day.

I don’t have old contracts anymore no idea how it was written in. I remember it was all straight time till 40 hours.

The people who liked it were younger single people who liked using the three and a half days off to play. With airline travel benefits back then you could take a lot of cool weekend trips with a 3 1/2 day weekend.

 

[AKCoverMan]

This raises a question in my mind...in general, what issues are covered by the NMA and what goes in the supplementals? If every supplemental has no forced sixth punch, why not just put that in the national?

Generally I see stuff like vacations, holidays, sick leave, etc and working rules like schedules, days off, etc all written at local level which is why the forced sixth punch language will need to go there too. Could very well see National language proposed too it‘s a pretty hot topic issue.

The why of what goes where in the contract is a pretty complex answer.…short version is the contract is kinda a living document that has been modified over and over again. At once point there was no National Master just individual local contracts…when we went into a National Master they left room for locals to still negotiate local working rules locally.

It was a weird thing to me coming in…. 30 years ago I worked in the airline industry, our union had one single contract that covered everyone at every station the airline served.

 

[IVE GOTTA PACKAGE 4U]

Generally I see stuff like vacations, holidays, sick leave, etc and working rules like schedules, days off, etc all written at local level which is why the forced sixth punch language will need to go there too. Could very well see National language proposed too it‘s a pretty hot topic issue.

The why of what goes where in the contract is a pretty complex answer.…short version is the contract is kinda a living document that has been modified over and over again. At once point there was no National Master just individual local contracts…when we went into a National Master they left room for locals to still negotiate local working rules locally.

It was a weird thing to me coming in…. 30 years ago I worked in the airline industry, our union had one single contract that covered everyone at every station the airline served.

Watch this. It will explain why.

UPS wasn't always a nationwide company
Thread 'New Video! Is our contract needlessly COMPLEX?' New Video! Is our contract needlessly COMPLEX? | UPS Union Issues

 

[AKCoverMan]

Yes I did and I agree it was very Informative Video..

 

[AKCoverMan]

I’ve been told by party I feel can be believed that there has been talk of trying to just make one contract but it would be a heavy lift.. many locals would not agree to completely giving up their autonomy.

We have local language for grievance process if it’s over something in our local supplement we don’t have to docket the case at West or National we have our own State panel. This means we hear cases quicker and it happens at home instead of a trip to the lower 48. Probably don’t want to give that up.

But the complex contract makes It hard for members to understand. IMO we need to do more to educate the membership on what contract says in practical, non contract language terms. Giving a member a thick multicolored contract book is not enough.

 

[DOK]

You'll be a driver.

The position will remain only if the 22.4 is working half the shift in the preload or evening sort and driving the other half, as it was originally written up in the contract.