It's called owning stock ricky. How do you get rich treating people badly?
Government run "anything"......
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dumb question. treating workers justly often means lower profits
That's not the same as badly. You make it sound as if they're physically abused.
yes justly is not badly LOL!!! im not going to explain that for you LOL
JJinVA
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I think that youre confused about who Jeff Bezos is and what his ultimate goals are. Hes not "one of the fellas down at the bar"... But thats neither here nor there. This isnt a personal attack on Bezos, I was using him as a free market run rampant example being he will soon be the worlds supposed first trillionaire, (though I say supposed because Id gamble that the Rothschilds banking cartel are trillionaires). If you think for one second that if the government stepped out of the picture that Bezos wouldnt fire every single Amazon delivery driver and replace them with ppl from the third world willing to work for a banana a week, you clearly dont understand how profit-motivated business works. People with tremendous wealth arent nice to other people because they dont have to be. They have their own security details that amount to basically mercenaries, contract killers. So yeah, lets not regulate that at all and just hope for the best. That is the insane thinking of the free market solution.
Or even worse, the libertardians that think "out of the kindness of their hearts, people will fix the roads themselves". Yeah, ok. The cities allocate millions of dollars for road repairs, but you think Ned is gonna go grab bags of asphalt from the HomeDepot on his day off just to go repair 300 miles of the interstate. lol koo koo koo koo
"libertarians" wants to give all the power to a few people in the private sector, and somehow giving all the power away is going to bring freedom and justice to all LOL
Old Man Jingles
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The fact that @rickyb likes your post says so much!
you should join corner bar thread, youre really bad at understanding hte political economy
And if Bezos did that you don't think there would be a backlash from the public? He didn't have to raise the minimum wage but he did. Funny thing is he's a Democrat but having all that money still makes him a pariah with the Left. Our system works because guys like him are driven to succeed and get wealthy. It doesn't work with guys in charge who belittle the achievements of others and half ass their way they life.
bezos is a good example of why the system doesnt work. hes destroyed small biz.
1989
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If you were driven enough to start and run a successful business, you could change things
JJinVA
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I don't think there's anything wrong w someone becoming wealthy who earned it. But that wasn't what my example was illuminating. Just like we have anti-monopoly measures in place to deal with people who try to own everything... because if we didn't, they would. The difference between political power and financial power in my scenario is, political power has tons of checks and balances, but in a TRUE free market, where ppl are gullible enough to believe they have the CHOICE to buy or not (talking commodities not wants), if everything is owned by the same person, you aren't really controlling the market or the decisions made by the owner because they'd just make up their losses from one thing somewhere else in the market.
The old saying "power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely" is a saying because the world has witnessed it over and over again. Bezos isn't the innocent underdog-struck-big that you might think he is. He's a well connected billionaire shaking hands w the most powerful ppl in the world. No one gets to where he is without getting the green light from the financial rulers of the world. Just like we all know our companies have ways to sabotage us if they don't like us, elites are masters of sabotage. He's where he is because he's a team player, not because he's a good problem-solver. He doesn't step on their toes so they don't step on his.
Imagine him buying nuclear weapons to "protect his assets"... at some level, things have to be regulated
You're getting a bit hyperbolic. Bezos doesn't own everything. Most of what Amazon moves are other people's products. He's just developed a highly competitive way to move them. Yes his success and money opens doors for him but casting him as some kind of figurehead of an evil cabal looking to control all of us is the kind of reasoning that has all of us pitted against each other. He's no more in control than John D. Rockefeller was in his day.
JJinVA
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I think we're just talking circles around each other. I'm not trying to take anything away from Bezo's. Or any extremely wealthy person for that matter. Im only saying that somewhere along the way there has to be a regulating factor to keep people from getting out of control because they do, and will.
Here's another example. People who were protesting for a $15/hr minimum wage. Sounds good right? Until you realize that the CEO of McDonalds was ALSO in favor of it. Why does that matter? Because he knew that if the govt went through with it, it would absolutely demolish small businesses who are just starting up or barely making ends meet as it is because its cheaper and faster to go to McDonalds already.
So they implement a $15/hr minimum wage. McDonalds starts firing low-skilled workers and replacing them with robots. They have the money and resources to do exactly that. Now you have McDonalds completely operated by robots generating nearly 100% profit for the company minus the costs of running the robots. No vacations, no sick days, no holidays. 24/7 workers who never complain. Of COURSE he would be in favor of that. Because the small mom and pop businesses can't afford robots fancier than a vacuum cleaner.
But this is why I say I dont know what the solution is. It certainly isnt completely free-market and it certainly isnt completely regulated by government. If we put a cap on how much someone can earn they'd likely just move their businesses to a country that doesnt. If we let them run rampant then they crush all competitors like unseen ants on the sidewalk and create a slave-labor environment like there is in China where they literally have to install suicide nets to keep employees from killing themselves because of the horrific working conditions. Which is why I laugh whenever I hear a US worker complain about their high paying job with healthcare and a pension...
RIP @moreluck . i thought her political views were atrocious.
im walking down the busy street with my dog and its covered in trash like cigarette butts. US libertarians (who somehow think we will all be free if we let giant powerful corporations do whatever they want) suggest the private sector will pick up garbage in the streets voluntarily. so whats stopping them?
govt probably isnt doing it right now because they are tight on money because of economic downturn, and because they dont tax the rich. the rich can't self regulate their greed and power, so they must be taxed. govt isnt doing this stuff because people dont hold the govt's feet to the fire the way BLM protests did.
im walking down the busy street with my dog and its covered in trash like cigarette butts. US libertarians (who somehow think we will all be free if we let giant powerful corporations do whatever they want) suggest the private sector will pick up garbage in the streets voluntarily. so whats stopping them?
govt probably isnt doing it right now because they are tight on money because of economic downturn, and because they dont tax the rich. the rich can't self regulate their greed and power, so they must be taxed. govt isnt doing this stuff because people dont hold the govt's feet to the fire the way BLM protests did.
Or it could mean Canadians are lazy.
america is dirty too ive seen it. our highways are better than yours. some of kenya's highways are better than yours.
That's because there only two in Kenya(I kid!)
