The ( OFFICIAL ) angry Contract results thread!
zubenelgenubi
I'm a star
I'm both, stop the discrimination
Well, you refer to yourself as a Latina...
Moneythehardway
Well-Known Member
There is a loophole that can benefit US, the members, in the IBT's loophole itself.
"In such circumstances where less than 50 percent of the membership votes on a final contract offer, the International Constitution provides that “a two-thirds (2/3) vote of those voting shall be required to reject such final offer…” Failure to reject the offer by at least two-thirds vote of those voting “shall require the negotiating committee to accept such final offer OR such additional provisions as can be negotiated by it.”
You see, this has not been relayed to us to be a "Final" offer, therefore it cannot be a final offer unless stated, which it has not been stated (And if someone is saying it is, please provide references of such). Therefore there would have to be another offer (even if nothing much changes within it) that ups at that time states IS a final offer THEN we would need the 50% or 2/3rds in which I believe we would rally and get more votes to make the 50% which wasn't that far off to begin with (About another 5000 votes)
Secondly the "OR" is very important as well and should not be overlooked. So by the laws of the IBT's constitution negotiations can go on further from this point and does NOT have to be 'imposed'.
"In such circumstances where less than 50 percent of the membership votes on a final contract offer, the International Constitution provides that “a two-thirds (2/3) vote of those voting shall be required to reject such final offer…” Failure to reject the offer by at least two-thirds vote of those voting “shall require the negotiating committee to accept such final offer OR such additional provisions as can be negotiated by it.”
You see, this has not been relayed to us to be a "Final" offer, therefore it cannot be a final offer unless stated, which it has not been stated (And if someone is saying it is, please provide references of such). Therefore there would have to be another offer (even if nothing much changes within it) that ups at that time states IS a final offer THEN we would need the 50% or 2/3rds in which I believe we would rally and get more votes to make the 50% which wasn't that far off to begin with (About another 5000 votes)
Secondly the "OR" is very important as well and should not be overlooked. So by the laws of the IBT's constitution negotiations can go on further from this point and does NOT have to be 'imposed'.
Wontmake9.5
My job is fun
UNless the union wants it to pass then you have no benefit. Which they donotherwise they wouldn’t have pushed it so hard.
Moneythehardway
Well-Known Member
Definitely not over, everyone seems to only see the 50% votes or the 2/3rd majority but fail to see where this is only the case in a FINAL offer. BIG difference.
Maple Grove MN Driver
Cocaine Mang!
Surely you cannot be serious
Later in article 12 it explains that any contract brought to vote on by the membership is a final offer in the case of a company wide negotiating. I thought that left us an out as well.
Section 2(a). If a majority of the affiliated Local
Unions vote to participate in area, multi-area, national,
multi-employer, company-wide, or industry-wide negoti‑
ations for an area, multi-area, national, multi-employer,
company-wide, or industry-wide agreement (hereinafter
“master agreement”), all involved affiliated Local Unions
shall comprise a multi-union unit, be bound by such vote,
must participate in such master agreement bargaining and
shall be bound by the agreement approved as provided
below. Upon completion of negotiations by any commit‑
tee designated as hereinafter set forth to engage in nego‑
tiations of a master agreement, such agreement shall be
submitted to the membership involved in such negotia‑
tions for their approval or rejection as the final offer in
accordance with Section 2(d) herein.
It was a final offer, just so happened we didn't realize and our leadership didn't see fit to educate us.
Section 2(a). If a majority of the affiliated Local
Unions vote to participate in area, multi-area, national,
multi-employer, company-wide, or industry-wide negoti‑
ations for an area, multi-area, national, multi-employer,
company-wide, or industry-wide agreement (hereinafter
“master agreement”), all involved affiliated Local Unions
shall comprise a multi-union unit, be bound by such vote,
must participate in such master agreement bargaining and
shall be bound by the agreement approved as provided
below. Upon completion of negotiations by any commit‑
tee designated as hereinafter set forth to engage in nego‑
tiations of a master agreement, such agreement shall be
submitted to the membership involved in such negotia‑
tions for their approval or rejection as the final offer in
accordance with Section 2(d) herein.
It was a final offer, just so happened we didn't realize and our leadership didn't see fit to educate us.
Total package
We can rebuild him
Absolutely. And this lame-ass electoral college argument is ridiculous. If 50% of the country doesn't vote in the next election do the results not count?
wilberforce15
Well-Known Member
The union should at least have told the company that they would overrule the vote, and institute the agreement, if we could have our turkeys back.
Total package
We can rebuild him
I don't care if Ron Carey or Hoffa Sr. put that rule in, it could have been scrapped by now. And why can't we have a breakdown of how part time and full timers voted?
PT Car Washer
Banned
I am pretty sure UPS knew about the loop hole and how many members traditionally vote and which way. This result was no surprise to the company.
wilberforce15
Well-Known Member
Of course, but we could still have gotten a turkey in return for rolling over for them.
upsbeernut
Sometimes i feel like a nut sometimes i dont
Feeder drivers close to retirement voted yes
upsbeernut
Sometimes i feel like a nut sometimes i dont
So true
wilberforce15
Well-Known Member
Everybody so serious they can't even laugh at a joke about getting our turkeys back.
Even complaints about holiday turkeys can't brighten the mood.
This sucks.
upsbeernut
Sometimes i feel like a nut sometimes i dont
Agree, I enjoyed the turkeys since it was one of the last perks of feeling cared for by management
Total package
We can rebuild him
I know most package drivers and feeder guys in our center voted no. Our guys were split a lot among who likes overtime and drivers who want just 8/40 if that. I don't blame people who have their finances in order to make it work on 40 hours but the 22.4 wage and lack of protection is no way to treat new drivers intended to keep you from working weekends
