Ground taking over

MrFedEx

Engorged Member
My response is the same as it has always been, and it's always been based on the law and how it is applied. Others here started with the premise that Express employees shouldn't be classified as RLA, then started looking for reasons (most of them idiotic) why.

Have you ever asked yourself why the dopes who are about to cream themselves over this never cite the law or anything related to it? No, because they're telling you what you want to hear.
No, sir. You're telling the right people what they want to hear. The rationale for a legal reclassification is certainly there, but you're pretending it isn't. FedEx Express has incorporated Ground into its operation and vice versa. You keep citing laws that no longer have any basis in fact and/or logic. The only thing keeping them in place is FedEx money and compliant politicians and bureaucrats who have been the long-term beneficiaries of FredEx largesse.
 

59 Dano

I just want to make friends!
2010 Smith greased up politicians to keep the status. It was close to being taken away. Ttku.....
LOL. This is hilarious! If Express isn't rightly classified as RLA under the law, why were they trying to change the law to specifically exclude Express????

I'm asking you to show that Express is improperly classified, you poor thing. Show me the text of the law, a court decision, something like that which would indicate that it isn't properly classified.
 
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MAKAVELI

Well-Known Member
I guess reading is hard. There’s nothing in that article that says they are combining the companies. It says what I did, Ground is contracting out its volume to Express in Alaska and Hawaii. I enjoy that you continue to present evidence that counters your argument.
Like I said semantics. You can call it whatever you want, doesn't change the reality of the changes. Ground isn't contracting anything. FedEx chose Express to take over all Ground ops for those two states. It isn't that complicated.
 

It will be fine

Well-Known Member
Like I said semantics. You can call it whatever you want, doesn't change the reality of the changes. Ground isn't contracting anything. FedEx chose Express to take over all Ground ops for those two states. It isn't that complicated.
You do understand that Ground contracts all its delivery operations, right? In those states they are choosing Express to take their stuff instead Joe’s Trucking Inc like they use in the rest of the states. It’s not just semantics, it’s normal legal contracting. You are right, it’s not complicated, you just like to be obviously wrong in your belief.
 

MAKAVELI

Well-Known Member
You do understand that Ground contracts all its delivery operations, right? In those states they are choosing Express to take their stuff instead Joe’s Trucking Inc like they use in the rest of the states. It’s not just semantics, it’s normal legal contracting. You are right, it’s not complicated, you just like to be obviously wrong in your belief.
It is semantics. This was never done before since acquiring Ground. That separation was iron clad in the past. The bottom line is Ground freight is not proprietary to Ground but it is to FedEx Corp. There is no contracting that Freight to Express or vice versa. You are simply ignoring the facts that FedEx is in the beginning stages of merging the two OPCOs with Network 2.0 and DRIVE.
 

bacha29

Well-Known Member
It is semantics. This was never done before since acquiring Ground. That separation was iron clad in the past. The bottom line is Ground freight is not proprietary to Ground but it is to FedEx Corp. There is no contracting that Freight to Express or vice versa. You are simply ignoring the facts that FedEx is in the beginning stages of merging the two OPCOs with Network 2.0 and DRIVE.
No merger....No savings. What other way is there if they are to get their operating costs down to where they have been mandated to get them to?
 

fedx

Extra Large Package
There is no other way. @It will be fine just refuses to acknowledge that fact.

You posted that Freightwaves article that quoted Raj saying they are combing all FedEx units to work as one unit. How much clearer can that be? That means no more separation. That article also said they are going to start using other airlines to haul Express packages. That article also talks about how FedEx and Ground are going to combine stations all around the U.S., so Express can pass off most of their "crap deliveries" to Ground to deliver. Raj makes it clear they have big changes in store for the future and they aren't good for company employees. IDK how combining stations to pass freight off to Ground wouldn't change their RLA status. If that isn't reason enough, nothing is.
 

yadig

Well-Known Member
Ground and Express have moved each others’s freight for decades. Express has flown Ground freight just like they fly freight for all their customers. Ground pays Express for this service just like every customer.

Express contracts out some of it’s deliveries to third party companies. They’ve done that for decades. They use Ground for that service now just like any other cartage company. Express pays Ground for this service.

Just because you hope the legal lines are blurred doesn’t mean that they are. The relationship between the companies is clear and straightforward. The teamsters will not be storming into court to change the law because they know that would be a giant waste of resources.
That’s a big fat lie
 

It will be fine

Well-Known Member
You posted that Freightwaves article that quoted Raj saying they are combing all FedEx units to work as one unit. How much clearer can that be? That means no more separation. That article also said they are going to start using other airlines to haul Express packages. That article also talks about how FedEx and Ground are going to combine stations all around the U.S., so Express can pass off most of their "crap deliveries" to Ground to deliver. Raj makes it clear they have big changes in store for the future and they aren't good for company employees. IDK how combining stations to pass freight off to Ground wouldn't change their RLA status. If that isn't reason enough, nothing is.
So when Express uses other airlines to haul their stuff you guys believe they are merging companies with those airlines? Or do you understand they are just buying space on those planes like a customer? Is the difference just semantics?
 

bacha29

Well-Known Member
There is no other way. @It will be fine just refuses to acknowledge that fact.
The object is to drastically reduce corporate overhead costs. The first place you start is by eliminating the several tiers of duplicating and overlapping management. Sending air box over to Ground and expect them to haul it for nothing would be far more likely to create more abandoned routes than sufficient amounts of savings while at the same time keeping the costly and oversized corporate structure in place.

If Ground contractors think they are going to make a king's ransom hauling air box, they should stop to realize that all they're doing is providing even greater value to FDX with little to show for it. Air box for most contractors will be a headache they don't need because like so many other demands FDX is already placing on them this too will be for little to nothing in return.
 

yadig

Well-Known Member
So when Express uses other airlines to haul their stuff you guys believe they are merging companies with those airlines? Or do you understand they are just buying space on those planes like a customer? Is the difference just semantics?
That’s a bluff, the pilot’s are looking to strike.
 

Lates

Well-Known Member
It isn’t the crap areas ground is getting the city we are based in express is keeping the more rural areas for now.
 

bacha29

Well-Known Member
I’m hearing that express drivers are gonna start delv/pup ground packages when needed.
Based on what is known publicly the only remaining final mile express drivers ( and it doesn't look like there will be a lot of them) will be handling the remaining high value expedited freight that is not sent over to Ground. The executives at FDX are under strict orders to quickly and drastically cut corporate overhead and final mile delivery costs. And assuming that they really are serious about it his time it will likely mean that fewer and perhaps a lot fewer people will be drawing a Fedex Express paycheck.

This whole endeavor is like a big chemistry experiment and it all hinges on Ground contractors finding enough people willing to undertake on continuous daily basis the kind of conscientious effort responsible handling of air freight requires and do it for a pay and benefit plan (if one actually exists) that flat out will not support that kind of effort.
 

MAKAVELI

Well-Known Member
Based on what is known publicly the only remaining final mile express drivers ( and it doesn't look like there will be a lot of them) will be handling the remaining high value expedited freight that is not sent over to Ground. The executives at FDX are under strict orders to quickly and drastically cut corporate overhead and final mile delivery costs. And assuming that they really are serious about it his time it will likely mean that fewer and perhaps a lot fewer people will be drawing a Fedex Express paycheck.

This whole endeavor is like a big chemistry experiment and it all hinges on Ground contractors finding enough people willing to undertake on continuous daily basis the kind of conscientious effort responsible handling of air freight requires and do it for a pay and benefit plan (if one actually exists) that flat out will not support that kind of effort.
They are going to have a hard time finding drivers willing to do what UPS does for less than half the pay.
 

yadig

Well-Known Member
They are going to have a hard time finding drivers willing to do what UPS does for less than half the pay.
I’ve talked to several ground workers and they don’t have a clue what ups offers. They are probably were they belong and couldn’t get a better job.
 
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