When does the negotiations get to the economics/pay?

[gman042]

You make it sound like our job is the end all, be all.

Newsflash—-anyone with half a brain can do our job.

Newsflash---I have seen what happens when people with half a brain try to do the job. We drivers usually have to clean up those IE messes

 

[wide load]

Yes....and you’ll like it.

Nahhh, we won’t. We vote.

 

[PT Car Washer]

Nahhh, we won’t. We vote.

Voting is just a formality after the company and the Teamsters have reached an agreement.

 

[UpstateNYUPSer(Ret)]

Voting is just a formality after the company and the Teamsters have reached an agreement.

Has there ever been a NMA imposed that did win the majority vote?

 

[wide load]

Voting is just a formality after the company and the Teamsters have reached an agreement.

So you think if a master agreement is voted down it will be treated the same as 3 Supplement?

 

[PT Car Washer]

So you think if a master agreement is voted down it will be treated the same as 3 Supplement?

After the last contract vote, I would not be surprised at what tricks are up Hoffa's sleeve.

 

[UpstateNYUPSer(Ret)]

After the last contract vote, I would not be surprised at what tricks are up Hoffa's sleeve.

Can you imagine voting on a master 3 times?

 

[Coldworld]

Glad you mentioned technology—-our BA is on the national committee and he told us that they spent an entire week discussing discipline based solely on technology and could not come to an agreement m. The Company wants the ability to discipline without having to actually see the infraction while the Union says that they must be able to see it before they can discipline.

We all know the technology is spotty at best...you really want to trust our guys to this ???

 

[wide load]

Can you imagine voting on a master 3 times?

Didn’t we in 97?

 

[Whatbrownwontdoforyou]

$35/hr to deliver pkgs is too high.

$35/hr to load pkgs would be absurd.

It depends on where you live......in nyc the $35/hr doesn’t go very far let alone $15/hr for pt

 

[burrheadd]

You make it sound like our job is the end all, be all.

Newsflash—-anyone with half a brain can do our job.

If this is true why do they have such a hard time finding people to do the job?

 

[Heavy Package]

I heard no raises for full timers for 2 yrs, most of money going to part timers and new hires!

If the proposal to vote on includes minimum wage increases for FT (Let's be clear DRIVER) pay, then:

1. Healthcare benefits need to be restored
2. Pension contributions need to be upped
3. Harassment and 9.5 language included so workload is more manageable
4. PT wages and HOURS need to be increased

Give me 5 more years of items #1-4 and I could live with smaller yearly wage increases. Anything less and I'm ready to walk a picket line.

 

[PT Car Washer]

If the proposal to vote on includes minimum wage increases for FT (Let's be clear DRIVER) pay, then:

1. Healthcare benefits need to be restored
2. Pension contributions need to be upped
3. Harassment and 9.5 language included so workload is more manageable
4. PT wages and HOURS need to be increased

Give me 5 more years of items #1-4 and I could live with smaller yearly wage increases. Anything less and I'm ready to walk a picket line.

Add: 5. Eliminate the 4 year progression.

 

[Heavy Package]

Add: 5. Eliminate the 4 year progression

It's a valid point...But I don't see it happening. In fact I'm willing to bet good money it goes to 5-yr or two-tier wage system. I would argue UPS is already a de-fact 2- tier wage company. That's the real first sell out by the Union many years ago but it's too late now.

 

[Coldworld]

Good question.

Two tiered FT wage coming soon.

Sure it is... keep thinking that...

 

[UpstateNYUPSer(Ret)]

It depends on where you live......in nyc the $35/hr doesn’t go very far let alone $15/hr for pt

Move.

 

[Coldworld]

$37/hr goes a long way in Little Puerto Rico (Rhode Island).

37 isn’t on the west coast.... nowhere!

 

[UpstateNYUPSer(Ret)]

37 isn’t on the west coast.... nowhere!

Move.

 

[Coldworld]

Good question.

Two tiered FT wage coming soon.

Wrong.... again!

 

[Coldworld]

Move.

Nope... this isn’t 1986 anymore.... companies need to start ponying up more money for their employees... heaven knows they take care of their top mgt staff....!