They don't have much of a choice do they?
I think it is time he takes a pay freeze to ensure the future of the company as well as the teamsters.
The sense of entitlement some of you have amazes me, especially in today's economic uncertainty. $30+/hr for a job which only requires a HS diploma and a drivers license. Some of you want more even though we continue to lose market share and the package division is no longer the economic engine of the company.
A part-time job is simply that---part time. The vast majority of part time jobs do not offer benefits and those that do offer a benefit package which pales in comparison to ours. However, most of the PTers do not take advantage of their benefits and some would prefer a higher wage in lieu of benefits. I know that if I were still in college and working at UPS part time I would prefer more money rather than benefits and would most likely not join the union, if that option were available, as the level of concern toward PTers is neglible.
I have several items that I would eiither like to see or think will be at least discussed during negotiations:
Part time employees hired on or after the date of ratification will no longer be offered health care benefits but will receive a higher starting wage. All PT employees will receive $1/hr raises each year for the duration of the contract.
New FT seniority employees as of the date of ratification will receive a lower starting wage, longer progression and lower top out rate. The company will offer a substantial signing bonus in an effort to get this two-tiered wage system approved.
Current FT employees will receive raises in line with those in the current agreement.
Healthcare for FT employees will continue to be paid by the company.
Technology will be used for discipline and production standards will be addressed.
I'm not going to quote anything here. There's plenty of back in forth, and to think anyone is going to change another's opinion or viewpoint is futile.
To the part timers saying that the pay structure is not fair and their is no opportunity to join the full time ranks, I offer you this:
If the starting wage at UPS was $20/hr for part time, You would of never gotten the job in the first place. The line at the door just to apply would be hundreds long.
You understand why, correct? Because it is well above market for a part time job. Wouldn't it be nice to get a sub 20 hr/week job with no education, training etc, that paid you the same every week as a similar job would pay for a 40 hour work week.
I hear if drivers keep getting raises, UPS will go under, seek different transportation options, lay off, etc, etc, etc. Look at what you're saying. We all know the part timers vastly outnumber the full timers. If that part timers got such significant raises, than why the hell wouldn't it have the same effect?
You want everything to be equal, then let's be equal.
It's nice to WANT a part time job that provides a pension, benefits, and a big paycheck, but it isn't realistic today. You've picked the wrong battle here. The battle you should be partaking in is getting UPS to create more full time jobs. There is plenty of room to do it with combining shifts.... That is if you actually want to be working full time...
I agree completely with your last paragraph. I'd take a full time position (preload/reload) working a split shift as soon as they offered it. Unfortunately I don't think the Union would pursue it. It would cost them dues money as they would now have one employee paying dues rather than two.
If you feel your union does not represent your interests the way you feel it should, elect new union leaders.
95% OF ALL DRIVERS WERE WORKING PT HERE TOO
Is UPS losing money? Who puts up with the fantasy world we are expected to live in once we walk through the UPS guard shack? SHOW ME THE MONEY UPS. 30$/hour for a "no skill" position. What is a "skill"? Show me the long line of college grads who can swim in the cesspool that is UPS. "Skill" is a relative term and not defined by a piece of paper. Work ethic like most can't understand is what it takes to survive at UPS (in general). UPS is making money off your back and you are so scared you're going to give your money back to the company? Numbers don't lie, remember? The numbers say things aren't too bad at UPS. SHOW ME THE MONEY.
After thinking some more, I do think loaders should get a pay raise. But he held to the same standards as drivers. If the loaders didn't missload, that would save a ton of money that could go towards raises and even profit for UPS.
In my building, the loaders get away with making costly mistakes day in, day out. As a driver, if I was making the same amount of mistakes I would be out of a job.
missloading packages
missloading NDA's
Loading NDA's in load.
Putting a 75lb box on top of a 5lb box and crushing it and its contents.
Not following SPA requiring driver to spend time playing hide and seek.
Labels facing down, back or rear of truck costing drivers time.
Putting bulk stop on shelf while dropping multiplue single stops to the floor.
Make the loaders accountable. Then give them a nice raise while adding profit for the stock holders.
What numbers are you referring to? Do you realize that the majority of UPS profit comes from logistics, overseas, etc. and not its domestic small package system (us)?
Really? US domestic package revenue rose 7.3 % in the last quarter from a year ago resulting in a 30% rise in profit to 1.3 billion.
Am I the only one here who owns stock in this company and reads the earnings reports??
Really? US domestic package revenue rose 7.3 % in the last quarter from a year ago resulting in a 30% rise in profit to 1.3 billion.
Am I the only one here who owns stock in this company and reads the earnings reports??
Southwestern - what would you propose would be fair compensation for "accountable" PT workers with the benefits they currently receive?
Obviously, 4Q results are always the domestic package system's strongest.
Nonetheless,
-yes, growth in the domestic small package system lagged behind other areas of the company.
-for the whole year, the operating profit of the small package system is a fraction of the company
-for the year, volume growth was up only slightly
-how much of the volume growth, revenue growth & profit within the small package system can be attributed to SurePost?
So, what part of my original statement was wrong?
LOL. First off, management DOES hold its part-timers accountable for work performance. You may not see it, but part-timers are regularly given warnings, suspension and -- in some instances -- terminations for missloads, etc.
Secondly, wages influence accountability. Drivers earn hefty compensation packages for unskilled labor, are unlikely to see compensation anywhere near their current level should they lose their job and there's no shortage of job applicants waiting for these positions. For these reasons, UPS knows it can hold drivers accountable for every error. Meanwhile, if UPS fired a part-timer barely grossing $10,000/year for every error, what are they going to replace them with? Another part-timer making similar errors. If UPS wants to attract higher-quality labor it can hold accountable, then it has to ante up.
Obviously, 4Q results are always the domestic package system's strongest.